|0.00|> I wonder if we could date the tape.<|5.00|><|5.00|> Today is the 20th of July, 1997.<|11.00|><|11.00|> We're within a month of the 10th anniversary.<|17.00|><|17.00|> And now we'll clear our space and wait for the commander.<|22.00|><|22.00|> Good afternoon. Maybe we're almost through with this so that by the middle of August we can at least visit. It's unfortunate. The enemy doesn't want you to win, and most of the ones who have always told you that you were nuts and crazy don't want you to win. Sometimes some of you believe that you can't win.

I know that we can. can and if that is all that is required to sustain us, I'm big enough for it. Illness is going to strike you people and the kind of illnesses that you're going to get you've got to watch for the symptoms. The upper respiratory problems that you're going to have like dorma, will have the little microbes settle around the valves within the heart muscle. A little bit like rheumatic fever or any mycel, stenotic It seems like, well, if you're working for God, at the very least, you should not be plagued by the plagues. Believe me, you're going to be the worst plagued by the plagues. They're getting desperate as to how to stop our movement forward.

forward and the most interesting thing and that most don't even hear me say is that there will be an evolution possibly but it will be almost non-visible under all circumstances. sorting, observation, prattling, tattling, court confrontations. And now we're down again to business meetings in which we're very happy to share as today and we welcome anyone who wants to be here. If she can still speak, we're going to have to have a Phoenix Board of Directors meeting, so Nora may want to prepare to take a few notes. We're going to need it written up. All of you who are on the Board of Advisors, please pay attention, take a note or two, because we're going to have to decide which way to go, whether we want to make a big miserable mess for your enemy or ooze on through here and leave some of them out of jail. Our purpose is not to put our former friends in jail, but my intent is to never let any of them get away with anything anymore.

Our purpose at this time on this earth is not to have big churches or congregations. God is a very personal thing and I'm going to get into that. Because all of us playing games and trying to call this religion or a cult or a belief system, if that's where you're at, you're welcome in the room, but you're up here a little off. If you want religion, and as the Dalai Lama will try to tell you, even Buddhism is not a religion, it is a way of life. Unfortunately, if you're going to follow Hatton, which I don't suggest you follow anybody, but you're going to find that Hatton's going to knock the Buddhist religion. I'm going to knock the one-lie-a-ton religion. Get rid of your idea of religion. If you want a social club to have guidance along the doctrines of a church group set By all means, enjoy your relationship in church and religion.

If you want to know God, you better get right with God. And it's time you better be getting right with God. I don't think that we have to discuss much as far as... Yeah, we do. I have to. This does make a difference for you people. Judge Coyle has handed down two orders in this last month. Dick Martin dismissing his case, which they finally agreed that this was going on into infinity and enough that the other side was yelling, calf rope, or uncle, or whatever the little kids say, you know, uncle, uncle, I give up. We needed to know if there was still a relationship with George Green and Desiree, and they both signed it, and it came back within a reasonable amount of time, so all of you can assume that the enemy is still working in behalf of themselves.

back down the order that was written by Buchanan's legal group, which you met in the courtroom. And of course, these lawyers write up the orders, send them to the judge, and this is one place you can look at the order and know that was done because of what they did. The ruling turns out to be under Mr. Buchanan's penmanship, $15,000 sanction against the Eckers, $300 and something sanction against the Eckers. And they were so sure of what they were doing that they forgot, I guess, forgot is a really interesting term to use here. They served the old attorneys. They didn't even send an order to the Eckers. And I think all of you were right there while they represented themselves.

So there's time to consider what to do about this. And in order for them to be able to confront themselves, we will do a reconsideration request and we will do an appeal and that will allow us to get the information. Because obviously the judge didn't pay much attention. At least half of the amount of money he had said, I expect for you gentlemen to have all the lawyers bills and everything in by the 27th of June, which they did. And at least half of the bills are for Stephen Horn, Ed Cleary's review of all of this three or four times each. If there was a review of something then there had to present the entire document. And each time it had to be reviewed by all attorneys at $275 an hour. I tell you everything else, in the end everything else.

Now I'm going to move on to the Phoenix Institute. We have someone who has sat in the meetings. I'm going to ask all of you to hearken back to a deposition given by Rodents who said, this was earlier on than the last bashing that he gave on the television about the arsenal of weapons and ammunition bunkers. If you recall, he said the Eckers were packed, ready to run with the loot and it was stashed in the crawl space under their house. Now I'm going to, this is going to hit E.J. between the eyes because he doesn't remember it but Charles and Dorma will. Halfway under the crawl space, under the floor, when they moved to this place, there were some pieces of carpet on a cement slab back about midway through the house under that floor. And there's some suitcases.

And when they moved from Los Angeles, a lot of clothing and stuff was just packed into suitcases because it was handy, as any of you would do. And when they reached this destination, they were off-season, not wearable clothes for that particular time. So those suitcases went into that area just to get them out of the way. And there they sit to this day, all piled up. But more important are the fact, facts that some of the corporation manuals also stored down there, kept down there, they're not stored, they're just down there. Okay, a couple of years ago, when all of the problems began to surface, Mitch Jaffe was here and on the board.

This was after George Green had gone and Nora was acquired to the board, as was Ed Cleary and Rod Yance, and Rod became the president of the board of directors. Then things began to go downhill. Now on one day, possibly June, July, Mr. Christie called from corporate headquarters and said, I don't know what's going on, but you apparently just had a board of directors meeting and now Ed and Rod Ence are on the telephone demanding that I send them the records. And I am in charge of those books and I'm not going to do it E.J. That is unacceptable. And E.J. said well that's fine I don't know why they would want them. The next day, no longer than the next day, after they were refused that, they had the records, and they took them into the editor's office.

And they went behind a little petition, and they spread out all their bylaws and articles and things. And at least one person walked in on them. And so they were explaining that they had a right to know all of this because after all they were officers and directors. And they were going to find out what those rules and regulations were about issuing stock and all this. Now I'm going to tell you why you don't issue stock. It is to stop this very kind of garbage. If you allow a corporation to own itself either with bearer stock or it used to be just set it on the shelf, it acted the same as bearer stock, but you don't have any greedy shareholders. think under these circumstances had George Green actually had that stock that you wouldn't have been out of it long, long ago? Well, what would have been interesting is he would have been in jail. That's the only sad part of this entire story, is it's at.

Dormer resigned as a secretary. Enough of this already. Enough of this. I'm not going to do this anymore. And then of course you know that Mitch moved away. Nor was kind enough to accept the responsibility of being secretary to the corporation. And then after the entire split happened, first of all, Ed clearly sent word out, nobody's going to make us resign and they better not even try. Well, with the stock ledgers in them. Is that a big problem? No.

No, it is a big problem for people like Ron and court and a staff to have to look up and try to restructure just the books. No. And I think all of you will realize this has been a viable corporation since the day of its inception. There's no quarrel about that. So what's the big deal? How is it that you wouldn't every day notice it's missing? Well, so much of the record keeping has to be done so regularly that excellent, excellent files are kept. And each document that goes into the corporate records and is handled as a note or any other kind of a transaction has to have a corporate seal on it. So the seals were kept handy. So these thieves only really got the shell, the book. And so they've been having fun with this and we've been just waiting and watching and waiting and watching and what in the world could they possibly want to do with it?

Well, remember the mystery caller who said he sat while they made their plans? He now says that he was there and they had those books. And what they planned to do is issue that stock. And then they can go into the courtroom and say, oh, but look, they don't own this corporation and suddenly they will have shown the judge these documents which they've already shown them the books. So you start adding her up yourself. They plan to use those empty books and those stock ledgers as proof that either way it is, George Green really has a right to that gold. And now they're asking for a dismissal of the bookcase and the loan, you know where George borrowed money from the institute and didn't pay it back and now it's about $250,000 worth.

He doesn't have to because after all he owns a corporation. Because nobody knows who owns the corporation, so for all she knew, he did and he might still. Well, now all of the attorneys are in a blue funk because obviously she said one thing at deposition, well for goodness sakes if you don't have the book, you don't have the ledger book, I don't care who you are, you don't know what's going on. But that's the plan. And I'm making it public right now. And I wanted to get back to them that their days are numbered in this game. And you get your books and your affidavits. All you need is an affidavit from Court Christie, and probably one from Ron. And they're going to have their you-know-what in this ringer.

Because they've already shown those books, at least to Judge Griffin. Because that was the next thing in order. And I want you to listen, as E.J. reads, for dismissal in the book, note, case. All the while they've been trying to get the institute into receivership, now Horton comes along and says there is no corporation. So listen to this and then keep this in your hearts because next month, I want some corporation sessions in this room with as many as are going to come in August. And we're going to clear up some of this trashing. And if a judge will rule with this, then he doesn't know the laws in his own state, and you better go after him.

So let's hear what Mr. Horton has to say in this case. And all of you listen carefully. the court of the state of Nevada in and for Carson City. I think that's very interesting because the ninth district is in Linden, Nevada, and the first district is in this court, in Carson City. Oh, wow. This is Phoenix Institute versus America West Publishers and so forth. Defendants and counterclaimants. Counterclaimants versus Phoenix Institute. And it's captioned, Defendants response on order denying motion for reconsideration.

Number one. The response filed on behalf of plaintiff does not comply with the court's June 25th order. The quote evidence submitted shows the continued violation of Nevada corporate law by those having no standing to act for the corporation. Those purporting to act for plaintiff corporation lack authority to do so. Number two. On November the 23rd, 1994, defendants filed their motion to strike complaint or to dismiss action when challenged plaintiffs' standing to bring suit, which stated, A. Plaintiff, that's Phoenix, has purportedly incorporated under Nevada law, which requires under NRC 78.330 annual shareholders meetings to be held to elect the directors who are then are authorized to run the corporation. Directors of every corporation must be elected at the annual meeting of the stockholders according to 78.330.

B. No annual stockholders meetings have been held because no stock has ever been issued. The individuals who incorporated plaintiff and who alone ran its affairs without anyone else being on the board are Eddie Joe Ecker and Doris Ecker. C. Both of these individuals have admitted under oath that no shares in plaintiff corporation corporation have ever been issued. Now there's a footnote here. Nora Boyles, Rod Enns, Mitch Jaffe, and Ed Cleary were appointed to the board by Eddie Joe Ecker and Doris Ecker one month before April 17, 1993. Another footnote.

Eddie Joe Ecker, purported president and treasurer of the corporation, testified under oath, one that no stock had ever been issued, see the deposition and so forth. This testimony was affirmed by Doris Ecker, purported secretary of the corporation from its inception, who added that she believed that George Green owned Platyph Corporation, Phoenix Institute for Research and Education, Ltd. D. Therefore, no annual meetings of shareholders can ever have been held because there were no shareholders to meet. Number two. When a corporation lacks valid directors who can act for it, those purportedly acting for the corporation do so as trustees. Number three, no trustee is before the court and there is no one who can validly act for the purported plaintiff that brought the within action.

This is the 1994 action. Number three, therefore, no director has been elected as required by Nevada law by its shareholders because there are no shareholders. attached to the motion to disqualify attorney, filed in this court's case number so-and-so, is the affidavit of Ron Nenz, which shows that the condition of no stock issued, no stockholders' meetings, and no election of directors continued with regard to Phoenix to the date of this affidavit, June 18, 1996.

He's just busy, busy, busy. Yeah. Let's see, there's a footnote here. Questions and answers from the deposition of Doris Ecker. Question, Ms. Zecker, was there ever a shareholders meeting called for the purpose of appointing Nora Boyle's Rod Inns, Mitch Jaffe, and Edward Cleary as directors of the Institute? Answer, no. Was there ever a shareholders meeting called for any other purpose? No. In the present status of the record, the complaint must be dismissed for want of an indispensable party, someone with authority to act for the corporation.

Quote, Affiance served as director and president of Phoenix Institute for Research and Education, Inc., a Nevada corporation, here and after Phoenix, for two and one-half years. We're back to quoting Mr. Enns. Number two, Affiance's engagement as director and president arose in the following manner. Doris and Eddie Joe Ecker, here and after Ecker, acted without themselves ever having been elected by any shareholder of Phoenix, appointed affiance to the directorship and president post. Number three, no stock was issued and no shareholders meetings were held. Number five, during affiance tenure as president and director, and both before and after affiance tenure, Phoenix never had a shareholders meeting. Number six, Phoenix has never issued any stock.

Number 11, other directors joined with the fine in attempt to find out what Eddie Joe Ecker had done with the money of the Institute, but such efforts were unsuccessful. Other directors who tried to get information on where the money was and what has been done with it were Reverend Ed Cleary and Mitch Jaffe. We were told that Eddie Joe Ecker was the treasurer and what was done with the money and where it went was none of our business. Eddie Joe Ecker was in total control and there was no way we could find to break that control. Affiant and other directors who wished to find out what had happened to the money ultimately resigned in frustration.

Number five. The fact that no stock was ever issued was admitted by Phoenix. Number six, instead of complying with the directions of this court and providing evidence of authorization to bring the action, Phoenix has relied upon the ipsedixit of directors who were never elected by stockholders who never existed of a corporation that, according to the sworn statement of Doris Ecker, actually belonged to George Green. Number seven. George Green does not now, nor did he ever, authorize the bringing of this suit. Number eight.

The complaint herein must therefore be dismissed. That's the end of the... For Norris Records. Let's go back. You'll have to find the dates of these depositions, I'm not going to put them in that. You have to remember that in 1987, the In 1988-89, writings had begun and finally George Green did in fact enter the picture in 89. And so we can move from there. You'll also have to check the date of incorporation of the Institute. You see, they have two. They have another corporation that has nothing to do with this at all.

So they've blundered badly. They have taken a second corporation. They only thieved it from a different place than Betty Tootin' thieved the three. All the masterminds are the same. It doesn't make it real, and I'm going to ask Ron to comment in just a minute, but I want to restructure something for the record. When there was discussion about the Institute, George Green and Desiree lived in Carlsbad, California, in a beautiful home overlooking the sea. And I'm sure that to him, he saw, while other business was going downhill, he saw a way to get in on the UFO, New Age, whatever we're going to call this, in his mind.

So he made up his mind very quickly to come to this area. It took Desiree a long time, and on the very day of the move, she refused to come. She didn't want to live out here in these shacks. It just wasn't her style. She wasn't going to come. And George said, all right, you don't have to go, but I'm going and the house is gone. We're moving out. You do what you must. Well, what else is she going to do? And already Ed Cleary had been working with them down, he was living near San Diego, so he would drive up and work with George and Desiree in their home, making copies and whatever needed to be done, because they functioned down there as the publisher for anything going on up here, but George had basically already taken control.

Now we are putting out page after page after page, on the average of a book every two weeks, all the way back then. So, any time that dormer was available would be if people were dropping in. And I think a lot of you will remember that a lot of people dropped in. They spent the first three years never having the house empty. It was like a hotel until I finally said, they're going to blow your house away. Stop this, it's not safe. And then on Thanksgiving, they gave you a real show, a real show that they meant business. And sometimes those are the only lessons you hear. And it's no different today. It's not safe. And what that house is going through right now to try to take out these two is it goes beyond laughable.

But it's important that we sustain through it. So we're not doing very much about it yet. George Green over a period of the first few weeks that they were really working together asked E.J. since he knew Harley Laughlin of Laughlin Associates, will you set up those corporations and then I'll pay you or whatever. Now, all of you have seen the dozens of copies of checks that Leon Fort brought in here, at least 10 to 12 copies of the same two checks. One was for $1,200, one was for something. So those were repayments, not commissions or not salaries, as George Green has spouted. These were when E.J. set up the corporations, he charged them. And after some period of time, he had to demand George, I've got to have the cash back that I set up those corporations. So George Green paid him. But it turns out, son of a gun, he only paid for America West distributors and publishers.

So those checks that keep running around are for those things. Dorma would have no way under the sun to know whether George Green called Harley Laughlin and set that up or obviously it got to be where E.J. did it, but since George paid for his own corporations, when you're in a deposition and they're hounding you like the hounds of hell, you're going to honestly say whatever it is is in your mind. I don't know. E.J. made the arrangements. For all I know, George Green owns it. You can't find out, that is one of the rules that's so nice in Nevada. And whatever is on the books, go find out.

But you see, they back you into a little teeny corner, and then they give you one sentence or less, and that's what they want a judge to base a whole case. It was obvious after George Green left that the books were missing. But after all was said and done, they were not residing in his office. He was going to leave all the files, all the desks, the computers. He didn't. They stripped it. And he took the money, the subscription money. Now if Ron would be kind enough to tell this room how a corporation works in deference to what Mr. Horton, this constitutional attorney, has written to this judge, we'd certainly appreciate it.

We're fortunate he's here. And keep in mind this was like 1989 or 90. Alright, I can only speak up my understanding, but I do know that the Secretary of State is quite well aware of the fact that Nevada statutes do not require the issuance of stock. In fact, Nevada statutes started out being modeled after Delaware statutes and really just removed a few key things, one of which was the requirement for the issuance of stock. So if the Secretary of State purposefully, with full intent, does not require the issuance of stock, I don't see how there could be a requirement for shareholders' meetings for non-existent shareholders. Going beyond that, the whole issue of ownership of a Nevada corporation, it seems to me, and again just from my point of understanding, that has not issued stock would come down to whatever the incorporator has to say in the way of testimony.

For each of the corporations that we set up, Court Christie is the original incorporator. He's also the resident agent through his agency, Nevada Corporate Headquarters. So any court in trying to determine an ownership issue should go to the original incorporator, should go to the resident agent, and ask for evidence of ownership from that direction since it can't be established by the issuance of stock. Ron, now when we're dealing with something that everybody needs to understand a little bit better even, it's a good example. This was incorporated first of all with Harley Laughlin of Laughlin Associates and then it was transferred to Nevada Corporate Headquarters. So would you kind of explain that little jump there and would Laughlin Associates still have records of that?

Or the state, someone? The original articles of incorporation would be very good evidence of who is the constructive owner of that corporation. Now there are two things that these guys are trying to do. One is to suck you in so that it looks like Acker Acker Phoenix. Do you see what they're going to see which one you fall for. Well, you're not going to fall for either one, but they're going to take a fall for their games. Go ahead, please, Ron. Take it further. I don't know, Commander. I don't know where you want to go from there. Perhaps a little bit more direction. Well, you have a situation here, what establishes then finally the ability to say, well, I'm going to claim to be the owner.

What is required if George Green wants to claim himself to be the owner? What would protect it if E.J. said, no, I'm the owner? What steps then have to be taken. Issued into bearer stock and somebody hold it. That's one way. Issue it into bearer stock and let Ron hold it. Issue it into bearer stock and let Paul Lenthal hold it. You know, this is like holding the snipe bag. This is what you don't want ever to have happen to you if you are trying to utilize your corporations properly. You don't want the ownership. And as long as you want to keep greed out of your shareholders, you see profits of a corporation are for a major purpose.

That is to make a lot of money for the owners. And once you go public, then you have public shareholders, and you've got to pay dividends, and sometimes there are assessments. If you do not issue stock, you don't have a greedy, I have more stock than you and I'm going to make all the rules. So it is a way to avoid the greed, especially within corporations of this type, where you're always up against being accused of being a cult and a church and thieves and liars and all of these things. I want to tell you, her illness is my inconvenience of the century. Am I correct in voicing that wrong? Absolutely.

Alright. So wouldn't it be, if you could consider that everything can be completely restructured, that it would be a little bit stupid on their part to issue that stock, but stupid is their middle name.

