921207-2a 

9-6-24
Susan

TAPED TELEPHONE CONVERSATION RE COSMOS SEAFOOD ENERGY MARKETING LTD.

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[speaker #1] Oh OK.
[speaker #2] How you doing? 
[#1] Oh not too bad.
[#2] You got back from Mexico, I guess. 
[#1] Yeah. 
[#2] Yeah. Mabel wanted me to call about this couple of things you faxed. 
[#1] Yeah. 
[#2] One was this urgent for immediate action. 
[#1] Yeah. 
[#2] We didn't see how that fit in with the Army, this Cosmos Food Energy Marketing and the 16th Amendment and so on. 
[#1 Uh huh. 
[#2] Was that people were suppose to respond from each Republic on that? 
[#1] Yeah.
[#2] With a complaint of some sort. 
[#1] Yeah.
[#2] Uh huh. Well how’s that tie in with the military? It’s not, looks like maybe somebody is collecting names here, a lot of patriots. You don’t suspect anything? 
[#1] Well what’s his name checked them out. 
[#2] Uh huh. 
[#1] Ron Morgan. 
[#2] Ron Morgan? 
[#1] And Simon A. 
[#2] Uh huh.
[#1] That’s Bo Gritz’s guy that was running for Vice President.
[#2] Uh huh.
[#1] And he checked them out too. There’s oh about 4 other guys that have been working and checking them out. 
[#2] Um huh. 
[#1] So outside of just the input I got from them everything seems to be legit and they are working with Gonzalez.
[#2] I see. 
[#1] But outside of that you know…
[#2] It’s hard to see it.
[#1] Yeah, it’s hard to say.
[#2] Well I noticed it says down here send your postcard or letter and then it has your Republic and your zip. 
[#1] Yeah.
[#2] Republic doesn’t have a zip does it? 
[#1] No. 
[#2] So anyway that’s a little… well it’s one of those things somebody from up there about your way taught me that. 
[#1] Well you see when Ron talked to them they didn’t know anything about this Fuji case or the United Nations taking over. In other words the patriots, we’ve got more info then what they have. Well they’ve got a lot of info but we’ve got more material that they don’t have. 
[#2] Uh huh.
[#1] You know it’s like we’re Paul Harvey's The Rest of the Story.
[#2] Yeah, right. 
[#1] Uh huh.
[#2] Right.
[#1] So I'm going to call this guy tomorrow 
[#2] Uh huh.
[#1] And find out. He’s one of the directors there.
[#2] Ah OK. So you’ll find out a little more about it.
[#1] Yes.
[#2] Now what’s that case you mentioned Sei Fujii case?
[#1] Oh the Sei Fujii case?
[#2] Yeah which one was that?
[#1] That’s the 83rd Congress.
[#2] Uh huh.
[#1] That document 87 page 288-289.
[#2] Uh huh.
[#!] Where they said that the United Nations Charter is now the supreme law of the land. 
[#2] Oh yeah. I heard. 
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That was the Sei Fujii case in California in 1950 that set that. Right so that was actually as old. 
Yeah and they didn't know about that. 
Yeah I know you mentioned that in the Informer's book. Someone wrote that I guess. 
I have that in fact I'm printing up my volume 2 right now. I'm going to have that done hopefully by the 1st of January. 
I hear the printer going. 
Yeah, it's been going for the past hour. 
Did Mabel tell you it looks like I'm going to be the editor of this newspaper, The Avenger? 
Oh yeah, no she didn't say nothing about that but got a copy of it. Yeah, well I planned to zap it up some more and everything. They had a lot of trouble getting that out. They had to change personnel and so forth. But I planned to make it, change the format quite a bit, but basically some same stuff but really get into it. And so like that letter that the Informer wrote to that congressman, that former congressman?
Oh Ron Paul?
Yeah, I planned to put that in there if you didn’t mind. 
Oh sure ok.
Did you, I wondered if you ever got the Informer an answer out of that? 
Nope.
Yeah, well anyway I thought I’d put that letter in there you see I won’t be able to officially start till about January first because I’m a quitting my rather cushy job because I thought they were all going to go to pot anyway so I'm not giving up that much. I think it's a blessing and an opportunity for me to get out of the Babylonian system. 
Right.
Then I can pull together you see with the information that Mabel has and the contacts she has and then with my writing skills and I have some updated computer equipment, laser printer and all I think we are going to go full blast on it. This will be up at the Freedom Law Center up there with the guy in Tampa you know.
Okay.
Yeah, you got a copy. What do you think of it? Do you like it all right?
Yeah.
Any suggestions or criticism or anything, send them in. I’m going to try to work up a format so that a when people get something, an article, sometimes you’d like to photocopy it out. Like Spotlight did for a couple of theirs. You’ll have like a regular page size 8 by 8 1/2 by 11 or whatever. And have a whole article based on where the guy can lay it down and photocopy it out on the fronts and back side if it runs over put it on the back side.
Oh I see.
In other words you know how they start an article in a typical newspaper. 
Yeah then it goes to page 12.
Then you have to search around for the joint. So I’m gonna change that whole format so I keep everything together. 
Yeah.
Block it in there. Then you can go won’t have to snip and carve around.
Right. That is the problem with a lot of papers. You read something and you have to fish all the way to the back. 
Yeah.
As you’re going you find something you like and lock onto that and you start reading a little bit of that and you back to where you was.
It’s ridiculous. So I just have like a table of contents or a big index there and people can go and look at what they want and then you can photocopy them out and use them. 
Right.
Just like say the Informer's letter to Ron Paul, that would be all one shot so people could photocopy it and pass it on. 
Yeah that would be good.
So I'm going to change the format like that and do a lot of practical things but if you have any suggestions or anything let us know. Also anything you want to write we'll get it in there.
All right.
So we want to come out with two a week or two a month 
Two a month, huh?
Two a month so that'll be quite a job. 
Yeah. Let me see, there’s probably on the back of this book, I wrote a letter to Gary Cooper. You know Gary Cooper down there in Florida, he lived up where in Jersey and he was arrested for tax evasion and all that. 
I didn't know too much about that. 
That’s where they said because he had the postal service because he used the postal service he was a tax payer and a social security.
Oh I see. Just by definition of using the services.
Yeah. So I just wrote him a letter on November 15. I’ll read you the letter. He is out of jail. He spent three years in there. He is out on probation and now they want to put him back because he won't fill certain forms. 
Yeah.
All right. I talked to him on the phone and I couldn't make him understand so I wrote this letter and it says, My dear friend Gary, after talking to you on the phone I realize you are trapped by the government into a no win argument about you being a tax payer because you use the postal service. Well, I too would have to agree with the judge that indeed you were a taxpayer for using the Postal Service. Now, before you get your dander up at what I just said, let's look at three statements and the logic behind my statements. First, in my book, page 133, I quote Title 18, section 3283, revision notes, wherein they state, quote, definition of revenue. Revenue is the income of a state and the revenue of the post office department being raised by a tax on the mailable matter conveyed in the mail and which is dispersed in the public service…end quote. Second, the Department of Treasury is responsible for the printing and issuing the postage stamps to the postal service. Third, the stamps represent a tax for the privilege of using the postal service and are therefore considered a stamp tax just like an alcohol stamp tax. Remember Schiff talking about a stamp tax in his book? When you bought the stamps and affixed them to the letters you sent you became the tax payer for the use of the postal system only not for any other tax. Therefore, you are a taxpayer, aren't you? You can't say no to that. What the government stated was correct, wasn't it? They just failed to state that it didn't make you a taxpayer for federal income in any other venture outside the Social Security. 
Right.
You promptly argued, as anybody does, that it didn't make you a taxpayer, correct? And that's what his argument is. 
Right. In other words, sneaky little deal. 
Yeah, you didn’t qualify your status with the above statements. I can sit back and Monday morning quarter back like anybody else so I’m not faulting you for not bringing up the issue. They pulled a neat fraud upon you didn’t they? And then I gave the definition of fraud and then I said after that I got out of adjure also. Then I said Boy Gary, did they fit the above description to a T. But did they have a duty to inform you if you didn't ask? Well yes and no. Yes on a moral plane, but they are not moral. Look up moral turpitude. The charge was evasion of an income tax, not a stamp tax. All they did was call you a taxpayer for using the Postal Service. What's evil, wrong, or dishonest about that? You just assumed something that they did not say. So the real issue was not addressed as to the other foundation that made you a taxpayer for the other federal income tax.
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[same speaker] It's already a presumptive conclusion, non-rebuttable fact, that you are a taxpayer for using the Postal Service. So move on to the real argument. You have to change your thinking. It's either BATF oriented, so where is the instrument bearing your signature involving you in a commercial venture with the United States Corporation whereupon you failed your fiduciary liability to file and pay the return tax, which then made it a commercial crime under 27 CFR 70.11? Or did they have to prove you are a United States citizen or resident subject to the debt payment to the real party of interest, the IMF, through the private Federal Reserve, which is only licensed by the United States Congress. This makes the United States the front organization for its limited partnership with the group it licensed. The United States did not incorporate the Federal Reserve. But it goes deeper because the United States is also the debtor to the IMF to deposit its taxes in the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is also the depository for the IMF. Do they have a scam going for them? So sue the United States. They didn't do anything wrong legally, morally, yes. It was their licensed organization that did the wrong. Ever wonder why the caption for the plaintiff reads, the United States of America and revenue officer such and such. The Revenue Officer is not part of the United States, but part of the Federal Reserve. So two parties have to be listed. If you were to sue General Motors for a bad car, you wouldn't sue the state that incorporated it, would you? Well, that's what we do when we sue or defend. It says, look up real party of interest, then real party in interest. Since the United States licensed the Fed, it has a beneficial interest in the organization, so it can't be the real party of interest, can it? Now do you see why the real party of interest never came to court so you could challenge them for the document that made you liable for that particular activity? Only the beneficial party and interest showed to keep the fraud on going by insinuating you are, and rightly so, a taxpayer for using the postal service. I says, ah, but the agent for the real party of interest is listed as an agent such and such. Just use logic. If the agent was an officer of the United States, his name would not appear on the complaint. His boss, if he was a government agent, certainly doesn't appear. That’s Brady huh? Remember, in contract law, the real party of interest never appears, only the agent. And, is a very important word, and you can find it on page 67 of my book. It separates both plaintiffs in the caption as they are distinct severals. Just trying to help a dear friend overcome some obstacles he didn’t realize was in his way by simple wordology. They are all guilty of treason and sedition and should suffer the consequences. Sincerely.
Very good. Yes, we’ll get that in the paper if that’s alright with you. 
Sure.
Yeah, that’s excellent. 
I’ll run a copy off and then send down there.
Yes.  Also, you sent down to Mabel a while back, it looked like a fairly large document that you'd written about jurisdiction and so forth right on up the line. It must have been around 10, 15, maybe 20 pages. You remember that one? Probably your last biggest work. Oh, maybe you sent it to Jeff and he sent it down. Probably your latest biggest work. Do you recall which one it was?
I'm trying to think. Can you give me some…was it a case or what?
Was it a case? I think it was a write up on a case. It was like a brief or something like that. The reason I mention it was we loaned it to somebody as soon as Mable got it and we were on our way north to up in Tampa area and we gave it to a guy. I think I can still get a copy of it but it's been temporarily misplaced. We can't seem to get it back from where we loaned it. And I thought if you knew what it was, if you could get another one of those it would be good because it looked like it was real good on there. I think it was a brief you'd written for somebody and it involved talking about the, you know, on up and the IMF and so on. I think it was some of your current thinking on it. It was big enough work that it was it could have been 10 to 20 pages. Leo thinks it’s 23 and he sent it to Jeff and then Leo brought it down. 
Yeah, there was one I just sent to him just last week. 
Was that last week? It must have been the week before. Around 2 weeks ago. Well anyway if it jogs if think about it and you could put it in, I hate to have you do duplicate work but it looked like it was real good and we want to get a copy. Didn’t want it to get away from us you know.  
Yeah, just trying to think one of them I sent to him I said don’t pass out. 
Oh.
The other one I'm trying to think of what it was.
Well, if you think about it. It would be good though if I could get a copy of what you just read because that is something in another way, you know, it's part of our illiteracy. We can't read, we presume everything. 
Oh yeah.
We fill in the blanks and they're not even there and then we're guilty. 
Right. 
Think we’re guilty of something. 
Yeah, I can send this one over to you no problem. 
Yeah, then I want to get the other one there too you did about that congressman. 
Oh yeah.
That congressman. I already have it. 
I called the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Yeah, we were going to ask about this. The military thing?
Yeah. Basically you have to go to the Provost Marshall in a military base to the MP. So the Provost Marshall I asked him and he said yeah that would be all right. And that's where you file your Title 18 Section 4 misprision of felony.
That’s where they're filed with the military. 
Yeah. So don't use the courts because the courts aren't our courts anymore. 
So everything is military now for us. 
Yeah. It would have to go military. 
What about filing on Ralph's stuff then?
Well, that's where he's got to file his Title 18, Section 4. That's what he called, Jeff called the Joint Chiefs of Staff and they said to send it to them in Washington.
That would be good.
So they’re drafting up and that’s what he told me last week he was drafting it up and they were going to send it down to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. 
Now you say Mable said you were saying that the military is definitely getting on this whole scam and they’ve put their foot down? 
Yeah because I’m helping the guy up in South Dakota on his case with FHA and the income and all that IRS. And he was in the courts and then he tied up with this army intelligence officer and the army intelligence officer was writing some papers for him.  He was a little leery and skeptical about doing it at first but he went ahead into and he’s now in the appeals court, all right. And the military guy says don't worry because you're not going to lose in the appeals court. So then he related to me that the judge in the lower court that ruled against him on the FHA loan and stuff like that on the state level, they arrested him, the military did. They are going after the entire Supreme Court of South Dakota. 
Of South Dakota.
Yeah. They already have three judges under investigation in his case. What about a guy say like Mike over there on the other coast? Could you get them investigating some of those judges over there? 
Oh yeah, just file your misprision felony for treason and sedition. They all have knowledge of it because of the United Nations being the supreme law of the land. And they have this company, Cosmos company that has 122 congressman's $2 million apiece checks that they cashed, front money, and Bush. And they plan on arresting 4 presidents and 122 congressmen on the 5th and 6th of December.
WOW. Four of our past presidents?
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Yep they have already put Reagan, Carter, Ford, Bush, Kissinger, Schultz, Baker on notice for arrest for treasonous sedition. 
WOW.
In fact, Baker even wrote to them or talked to them and quote says, you people aren't going to live, end quote. They found four covert companies that the United States had put into business and when they found out that they went and found out that they didn't pay their taxes. So this seafood company bought them out, paid the taxes, and now owns that, and they say you wouldn't believe the millions of dollars that is flowing into those accounts. 
Hmm. No, but uh... 
Germany came to the seafood company to borrow money to pay for their reparations. That's how powerful... This is the largest company in the world. 
Yeah, uh-huh. Well, who owns that? It’s not the Jews behind it, then, is there? 
No there’s three guys. Can’t think of their…the one’s name is, uh, the CEO that you see.  The other one is the guy’s name is Andy Nicholau. 
That’s in Illinois isn’t it?
Huh?
This is in Illinois.
Yeah. Andy Nicholau was out of Colorado. That’s where they put the Republic. What they’ve done is they have created a Republic in which Spain, France, Germany and I can’t remember what other country they said recognizes them as a Republic of the United States rather than and they know about the de facto government than the democracy run by Bush and all those turkeys. 
Well this is getting wild isn’t it? 
Yeah, they have three houses full of documents to back up everything they have. They said that they have just about taken care they have liened every bank in this country. And they can pull the note anytime they want and that's why they're going under because they said they are going to wipe out the Federal Reserve.
So that’s going to what when are they going to do with that Federal Reserve that’s coming out by?
By the end of the year. Because if they pull their notes…
Before the end of the year.
Ten…
We heard the seventeenth through Ralph today we’ll play that tape a little later.
What’s that?
We heard the seventeenth that was coming down.
Well the fifteenth is a bank holiday. The nineteenth is when the FDIC
Controls all the banks that have less than 2 percent assets. Okay and
This they want to have all these documents in. I figure hey, just put
in a fictitious name if you want. Just put in a fictitious name in there and send it. 
Oh, this one you're talking about here? 
Sure. 
Yeah, because evidently they need representation from each area of the republic. 
Right. So if you're worried about putting your real name, hey, just put John Jones and put the street and so what if they come to say a house and it comes to say your house, right? I don't know. 
Somebody else put it in there. Yeah.
It's just drop off for this guy. 
So that was just you just put down any of these things, just put a few complaints down like the federal amendment, the 16th amendment, just throw out and throw in some of this stuff right? 
Yeah.
Nothing elaborate? 
Like I said, whatever you want to put in there. 
Nothing legal or technical and so on just a complaint from your area? 
Yeah. You want to abolish the de facto government.
Right.
You want to get back to a republican form of government where your rights are protected. 
So you're calling them tomorrow? 
Yeah. 
Well, I’ll have them able to call back again after that and see what you found out.
Uh-huh. 
What’s these a Now who's in charge of this military, the Joint Chiefs of Staff? I mean the boys are supposedly on our side now. 
Yeah, I don't know about that. 
Any specific names or anything on that? 
No, I’m supposed to being in touch with that military intelligence officer but I got to wait for the phone call to come. Third handed because this guy, I can't call him, he don’t have a phone.
Right.
And I have to wait for him to call me. So he's going down to Colorado to see this military officer and that's where the Cosmos company is.
So I'm putting two and two together because of what Cosmos has done on this because with the FBI and the CIA and all that. 
So okay looks like something for real on this. 
Yeah.
So anyway as you get things in as you're doing anyway you're feeding it down here but we'll get this in. It looks like maybe a break on the news. The guy down here has got the cable TV going and apparently after the second meeting they wanted him to sign up for another 13 weeks. 
Oh yeah?
And he's bashing the Jews. I mean right out just bashing them. And then… 
Well, you know what you do? If they call you an anti-Semite or they call you a white power guy or white supremist,
Yeah.
Course not. You know what you are? 
Separatist.
A separatist. 
Yeah, well Mabel told me about that on that tape. That is better, yeah. That's what the Bible says, be you separate anyway. Come out of her, be you separate. So we're separatists. 
So, a separatist, you don't want anything to do with blacks, Jews, Catholics, Irish, Italian, Polish, you know. Whatever you want, you're a separatist. 
Yep.
You don’t care whether it’s a man from Mars or what. You’re a separatist.
Just like scripture said, kind after kind. They were free kind after kind.
Yeah.
My dad use to always say I remember him saying this a lot of times birds of a feather flock together. That’s all.
Yeah.
It’s in there. It’s either I don’t know if it’s in the scripture or not but he was always saying that. Birds of a feather flock together. So that’s the way it’s suppose to be. 
Sure.
Anyway I’ll be the editor of this newspaper. See we had a guy he had a guy cranking it out and had real serious problems with him so just about 3 weeks ago then Charles up there asked me if I wanted to do it. I had to think about it about a week with some prayer and so on and looks like, you know how when you are a volunteer when there is no one else that is there and is capable. I have the equipment and the interest and the knowledge quite a bit of knowledge and the contacts through Mabel and through others. He wants this paper, of course he’s got the vision, this guy up here has really in a short period of time put together a tremendous set up already. He has had his growing pains but it is remarkable what he has put together in a short period of time.
Oh okay.
He plans to have this distributed in a number of languages all over the world. 
That paper?
Yeah he has contacts he says he knows Yeltsin personally. He says a lot of the stuff we're hearing about Russia was not it. He's got a lot of contacts in Russia and Germany because he was a big oil man for Gulf Oil and so forth. So he has contacts all over. So this paper he says is going to be it. He says it's going to go out by the thousands. Right now we just printed up like three thousand where we are in the fledgling stage. So it's filtering in to where we are getting control of this paper, our people so to speak. We'll be getting in the lineage. We'll be bashing the Jews on it, and the ritual murders, the whole ball of wax. We're not pulling any punches, it's not controlled, we're not beholding anybody, and we're willing to put our lives on the line for it.
Okay.
So, send down whatever you want put in there. The military, whatever you got on that? 
I was still trying to think of that case. I know there are a couple of them that I sent Ralph. I'm still trying to think about it. The one case, that's an ongoing case. That’s why I didn’t want I sent it up to Ralph and I told Jeff emphatically, don't let this out to anybody. 
Okay. He probably didn’t do that.
I hope that was the one that Leo got sent out because that case is the right case right now and ongoing. I don't want to screw it up by having people use it and print it out.
Right. Right.
We're going to play one for Ralph here, unless you have some more information. We’re going to play. He just called us today and gave us some good stuff.
Oh he did?
From Dan Knight and it ties dovetails with some of the stuff you were saying about the military and so forth. You got your recorder on you can listen to this then. You got a recorder?
Uh, no. 
Or you just want to listen to it? 
I'll go ahead and listen. I don't have a tape here.
The next three years are not going to be like the last three I guess. Oh no because I know they had even said that they are even doubtful that Clinton will become the president. 
That what now?
That Clinton will not become the president of the office. 
They said he will not? Who said that? 
The seafood company. 
Well they are tough, huh? And they are the ones that are going to be high instituting the silver standard and so forth?
Oh yeah, because of them and putting the liens on the bank, Yeltsin didn't get his money, 18 billion dollars didn't go to Israel.
I see.
England and Spain didn't get their money and neither did Germany and that's why Germany came to the seafood company to get a loan. 
I see. Now how did the seafood company get in such power? 
They have an 1875 gold certificate.
Oh okay.
And a real one.
Oh so they used that for their leverage just like one of our patriots where he took a silver dollar and went and bought a farm. 
Yep.
Same idea? 
Uh huh.
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Oh be darned. So he got back to the law. 
Right.
He's the only one there that had the law. Oh I’ll be darned. Well, that's interesting. I was just telling Mabel that my grandmother, when she died, they found a bunch of gold certificates in her chest at the foot of her bed. Of course they were to have been handed in. Of course, evidently they did hand them in at that time. This was in the 40s or 50s, they found this. They were supposed to have been passed in earlier. But evidently, someone had one on, they brought it out, and that's how they got all this leverage?
Yeah, yep. 
Something simple, the Father uses something simple to bring it down. And because they put a lien on every bank, that's why the Federal Reserve is gonna go under. 
I see.
And I was listening to a guy talking about the Canadian company, the guy from Canada, just yesterday. 
Well, you know in the scripture it says Mr. Babylon has fallen and has fallen and is falling in three repetitions and then it talks about the merchants of the world groaning, moaning, complaining. It's a commercial venture that's obvious. Yeah the beautiful city is gone. So they are a cushy thing there. What would you do if a guy just bought a car and he had a big mortgage on that, like a payment, what would that do? Would they wipe that out? 
Yeah, in fact this company says that they are going to get rid of the agriculture department, the farmers home and all the alphabet agencies. 
I see. Well, see what I did recently is, my car, my truck, the one you rode in one time, it has like 115,000 miles on it. So I swapped the spirit and told me to go in and swap it. That's why I'm blaming it on him. Anyway, just a number of things fit together and I really wasn't looking for a car. I went in and got a nice new Dodge van. Before I did that though I had my friend in Tampa to read the contract and he said it was a fraudulent contract anyway. Nowhere in there does it say anything that you're going to own anything. It mentions you get about a title, well of course there is no title, it's a certificate of title. So he said well suit yourself, if you want to get the van get it because he said it's a project, a contract would go in and afterward and sign, you know, contest it. So I just got this, it's got about a thousand miles on it now. What will, say after the 15th, say after the first of the year, what do you think my outlook would be on that? It's financed for about $20,000 which is no way I'm going to be able to do that. 
Oh yeah, because see when the banks go all under, all their notes are going to be gone and the only way they are going to do it is call in all their notes. Well if nobody has got any money, they are going to call the notes in and they just take possession. 
Of what it is.
And then where are they going to sell it? 
Well what I do, I signed everything without prejudice but the guy wouldn't let me sign the banking contract without prejudice. I signed out all the other papers. But I told him, he had already switched my car, the junk out of my car and everything and I was entering the pressure to go ahead with the deal. I said, I tell you what, I said, the uniform, of course he didn't know anything about the UCC and all this, and he was getting real nervous. He said, well, I'll tell you what we'll do, if you're going to insist on signing this without prejudice, we'll just wait and I'll have to call Detroit tomorrow with GMAC and see what about it. I said well the law provides that I can do it. But also as far as I read the thing and as I understand it, if I tell you in front of a witness here that my intention is I want to send this without prejudice, you won't allow me, then I can send you a notarized, not notarized but just a paper later and mail it to you return receipt. I said, ìt ís just as good because it ís the intent and then you give the writing as soon as you can after the intent. 
Right.
And he said, well, would you do that, he said that would be fine. And I said, well, you won’t let me sign it this way?  And he said no, no. Because he would have been real gentleman about it. And so we went ahead and signed it on that basis. So if I go ahead and sign that and complete this without prejudice then I will be able to leverage too, wouldn't I? 
Yeah, if you sign it without prejudice, yeah.
Yeah, if I go ahead and get that in before this week that gives me some leverage. 
Sure, because that's a commercial venture and they can't restrict you from signing that without prejudice. 
Right. Right. Well that’s what he did but since he did that as I read that Anderson’s code…
Yeah, you have 3 days.
Oh you only have 3 days to do it?
Yes.
Well I’ve passed that though. I thought it was you had to do it as soon as convenient afterwards. 
Well that’s 3 banking days. 
Well I think I’m still passed that. If I sign the other stuff without prejudice, for example, here was what was interesting. He put the certificates of origin out there in front of me. 
Oh yeah.
And I had to sign the back of those, but I couldn't get a copy of it. And that's probably a violation of something right there. You have to sign something and you can't get a copy of it?  
Oh, I got the certificates of the origin on the trailer. 
Oh you did?
Oh yeah. 
How’d you get a hold of that? 
What they did was we put it in the trust and they had mom's name on it. And we said, uh-uh, can't do that because we got it from the motor vehicle. So we went and we sold it back to the same company. And then they had to go through a new title. And that’s how we got we kept it and instead of turning it back over to motor vehicle, we kept it. 
I see. Well, they had it right there in front of me. I'm wondering if I had that letter written where I wanted to reserve my rights and it was notarized…. 
You see, what you need is the bill of sale because the certificate of title and the certificate of origin is meaningless. It’s the bill of sale that proves ownership. 
I see.
So make sure you keep your bill of sale. 
Okay, well the bill of sale I signed without prejudice. 
Yeah.
The financing statement was the one he, the one that goes to the banker was the one he was hedging on. So what should I do now? 
Just make sure you keep your bill of sale. 
Okay.
And it's got your signature on it, it's got the dealer's signature on it. That bill of sale is your proof of ownership and it supersedes any certificate of title. 
Okay, okay. Now what they did, they typed their name in, they didn't sign it, I don't think. I don't think they even signed it. 
The seller? 
Yeah. They typed their name on it under where it says signature. They typed like J. W. Dodge Company or whatever the name of the company would be. 
Okay.
See what I mean? Now is that a finagle or?
It wouldn’t have their agent’s signature don’t appear there huh?   
No. I don’t think it is. So that means they’ve turned over the car and they didn’t even sign it. So they wouldn’t give them any leverage there would it?  Would be a my plus wouldn’t it? But sometimes if they type it, I understand on the uniform commercial code if you type something if it’s the intent is it’s your signature then that’s the signature. 
Yes, that’s a standard practice.
Yeah, I think it is for that. You know car dealers they’re moving quite a few of them here and there.
Yeah. 
Okay well that’s interesting. About what I was thinking just to tighten up the lien, see the lien is the one I didn't sign but I told him my intent was to reserve my rights and that I would send him something which I haven't gotten around to yet. It hasn't been very long but it's been like a week.
Oh okay.
But if I have a notarized letter to them and the notarization of the letter is less than three days or less that would probably be pretty good leverage wouldn't it? 
Oh yes.
Even though I mailed it later? 
Well, yeah.
I would just do it and take it hand delivered because I think I’ve got a notarized copy of that within the 3 days. 
Right.
How’s that?
Sure that’s fine.
Okay I think I can work that out. It's always been a real pleasure to talk with you. Anyway, I'm excited about this new job thing and everything coming down at once. I'm getting bored working under this gold fringe flag in the school. It's my chance to come out from under here and if I don't do it I think the Father is going to chastise me badly and say, hey boy you had your chance. So I've got to do it. It's a step out in faith because I'm leaving about a $45,000 a year job and going into nothing. 
It will be a struggle for a little…
It will be a little struggle. Okay, uh, here's, uh, Mabel. 
Okay. 
Oh, she said she didn't have any more. Is there anything else you got there? 
No. No?
Well, we're keeping tabs. I think maybe she'll call you tomorrow or next day to find out what the, what you found out if you're going to call that company. 
Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay? 
All righty. Okay. 
Bye-bye. Bye now. 
Yep.
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