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7-18-24  Susan

MEETING TAPE: G.C. Hatonn 

SOUL ENERGY AND KNOWING

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[Oberli] Go ahead. Tape number two, 24th of October, question for the Commander. 
Please. 
[other speaker] The other night I had a great conversation with Sananda. Isn't that great? It’s just what happen. 
Well, that's nice. It couldn't happen to a nicer person. 
[other speaker] And some of you who sat here just a little while ago, soul energy. Sananda was saying He didn't have visions, He didn't have voices, He's physical things, because He says the physical is for me. Neat little phrase, but He knew soul knowing. The question is, is that what we're talking about when we use the phrase soul energy, and would you please talk for at least half an hour? 
There he goes limiting me. 
[other speaker] Just plain old knowing what that's all about. Thank you kindly. 
That's like asking for the... unfold the universe for me in the next 15 seconds. This is what you get on the radio. Soul energy is all there is. And I could stop right there and I wouldn't need to use up the half hour.
[other speaker] Awe shucks.
And when you understand that that's all there is. You will have arrived and there won't even be any question about it. That's what is knowingness. Is comprehending and knowing that what he just said is factual. And if something that happens within, it doesn't happen to this body, it can relate to the consciousness when it says, Aha, I see. But it's not something you're going to be able to explain to someone else or tell them how to get there. It is purely knowing. The reason that his statement and his question is so important to you is not the mechanism for becoming into and within this knowing, as your understanding that without being able to see beyond that veil, and yet feeling your purpose, what is at play regarding your soul, your fragment, as experiencing here. Because once into the knowing, let us just say any John Doe energy running around, comes into full knowing, is instantly in the light. And all else is dropped away. That is what knowing is. It is the full reality of Oneness in Godness and all is known. It is a state of being. And it is absolutely as impossible as you can imagine anything to be impossible to be in a state of knowing and still be in this experience. And this is why it is so elusive to you. In your separate state, completely what I would call your unconsciousness, because that truly is not a good term ever to be used. But outside all attachment to all things physical and your experience relating to them, you are in full knowing. And therefore, to be in full knowing puts you there automatically. You would be gone out of this experience. Whether or not you would ever remember it would be so trivial to you that it would probably not be remembered. It is a part of your growth to come into that knowing. You ones who have experience and are not just here for your higher learning in your path, it still means that you have done a lot of work before you got here, even if this will not be your last experience. So we'll just put you in one category that says, well, you've experienced the experience and here you are again. But I have to also now bring the ones of you in soul energy who have fragmented directly from the House of God, if you will, the thought of God to serve a purpose here. You grew, you studied, you learned, you evolved. And now comes the great cycle changes for your species on this planet, on this planet. And yet you have learned from all places, all reaches of the universe. It's the time of having been sent again beyond that veil into the experience. And it meant you had to do exactly what the Christ master had to do. He had to take up the body with all it’s drag me downs, He had to give up all facets of the knowing and go with the fact that He knew He knew. But in His consciousness as He would sit with His room full of people, He also knew He had accepted the veil and that He must function as a human among humans. That's why it was said, He's the son of man, as well as the son of God, as are you all, as I am, so are you. As I, Hatonn, am, so are you. And yet, in this manifestation, you perceive difference. You cannot see me. I can see you. That’s not fair but in this instance it is just. I work harder, I drew the lucky coin. I’m not above you, your job is different. And this comes as very, very hard because you feel you have worked and something in your soul says, I know that I know. Why can't I grasp it? Why can't I hold it? Why can't that be sufficient? Why does that not take away the doubts or the pain of the moment? Because you're manifested human and you agreed to do it. You agreed to do it this way. Part of it is a penalty too. Not karma. A penalty. It is a measure. If you were total perfection and you're up here giving out the Word, you would not be accepted. And ones think they have answers. Why don't you just appear, all of you, on television, just black out all television programs and just appear? How do you know that we haven’t done that and you weren’t looking? How often do you see Bo Gritz interviewed on CNN? How do you know we’ve not done that? How do you know what you're looking for? You're looking for something that you have in your mind to see. You will know God. You see, there's something inside you that says, I know. And you can't be sure in this room because this is being translated. And you can't even be sure what you think about Dharma because you don't really know her. She's just another person like you. Just exactly like you. It was different for the Master. He was a messenger, but He came to measure and test and see if man would ever really be ready for the truth of the way and that connection with God to come into knowing. And it was a time just as bad as it is now, emotionally, psychically. Man was just as corrupt, just as evil, maybe a little more so, except then when you see the magnitude of what evil does now, it really kind of just pales one man on a cross, doesn't it?
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You can't allow yourself that was the agreement of the workers who would come to bring the Word and be the Hosts and be the Guides. We agreed that Father we would not come into that whole knowingness until this game is over, this play is over, and ones whom we have come to bring the truth unto have had an opportunity to make their decision because it's not our game. Ones want me to fix it, Hatonn fix it. How can I fix your illusion, do you see? The only way I can fix your illusion is to tell you the truth of it so you can write your play, so that you can come into the knowingness and into the reality of it. Once again, God is the only one other than you, because you're one, who can do that for you. I, experimenting and presenting and manifesting as different energy from your soul, attached to you and yet objective to you, can't do that. Soul is the one thing that no human impact can touch. You can listen, you can reason, and finally you can know. It is something that comes under the shelter of the veil at birth. The knowing is all there. But as you make it into the density of the place and the manifestation and the experience, it's hidden. And that's so that you will experience and you will grow. So that by the time the soul comes into knowing, it has it all. And then I know that it seems like it must get pretty dull from there on in. Look at all the things you have down here to play with, to get into, to choose about, whether it's perceived good or bad you're experiencing. You don't stop experiencing. You just stop experiencing evil. And you start creating. And you might well think, well, boy, whoever created this place was really a nerd nick. Well, if you want me to take that message on back, I'd be happy to do that. But be careful. It certainly served its purpose. You just may not perceive exactly what that purpose could possibly be. A world was never meant to be heaven. There's a place for that. Was never meant to be perfect. It came created in perfect balance and you unbalanced it, but that was your privilege, that was your experience. And it will get itself all balanced up again. You're not going to like the way it gets balanced. But in your own way, you allowed it, or you deliberately helped it to get so unbalanced. You've been around a lot of times. You've experienced a lot of ways on this same old place in a different way, in a different perceived time. It's like a segment. Is it any less valid if you see a rerun of Star Trek? If you didn't see it the first time, you don't even know it's a rerun. And it's something you’re just witnessing. Well you have manifest it to your existence a live dream. And whether you think you want to be in it or not, you are in it, and you have made sure that you're right here to experience right here in this portion. Now you have the right to change your dream, and you can remove yourself from this segment. But then comes the problem, well whose dream are you in? Is it E.J.'s dream? Have you imposed yourself into his dream? Or has, for goodness sakes, he ended up in yours? Well, you can see how regardless, once you've learned to control a dream, wouldn't it be a lot wiser for you if you sort of mutually form thought patterns that end up with the same dream headed in the same direction? And this is, this is it, pure and simply. If you could get the thought patterns focused, you could do anything with this world that you want to. But you see what happens is most of you don't want to fix the world, you want to go on to your higher experience. So you'd like to fix it enough to cleanse your own soul so that you can go on. And yet, oops, the wall comes down. Is it really kosher to think in those terms? Why not? You’re your world. It’s your dream. It’s your illusion. How will you solve these problems? It's fun meditation. Do you think we'll ever have time in your space to do some of these wondrous, wondrous things? You see, there's some good testings for you to see how far you've come. We could walk through a meditation where you encounter these different things along your path and see what you do with them. And what happens when you come to the chasm with no bridge? What will you do? How will you get from here over to the other side where you can get to your gold castle out there. How far are you along? I had a little trouble dealing with Dharma because at a time when we were going through one of these little meditation sessions, she was finished and it was irritating to ones around her. And I won't explain it more than that. But once you understand the journey and you understand the power available for you and that you are literally going to have to rewrite this. And that means you've got to tear down all of the trash that has been heaped upon you lie after lie after lie that says you have to do this to do that. When you realize that you have God power, you don't have to do any of that. You can go from right where you are experiencing into the Oneness of God without moving. And every now and then you get that knowing and it's such a wonderful feeling you don't want to come back. And when you get really good at getting out there to work at night and in our other times that we work in that spirit form, you don't want to come back. And sometimes we have really, well, it's called debates. But you notice that you do come back. That is the greatest thing that you can say about yourselves. Because by the time you feel comfortable enough to want to be here, you're far enough along that, I'm sorry, kids, you may want to get out. You can't get out. You see, you've come far enough along that you do enjoy being here for whatever reason you think is probably not the reason you’re here. It’s that you do know and it's a big game and you're part of it and regardless of what happens in this non-reality of experience, these are things that through this particular little segment here you're going to have to do, confront, face and they're all how do you get to that goal? How do you handle this little blurb in your path to get to that goal out there?
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And most of you have already discovered what it is. Some of you still struggle with this boulder here. Oh God, let me get over this boulder. Well, why don't you just get it out of the way? Well, I tried and it wouldn't budge. Ah! Now you've said it all. It is there, it is real to you. When it is not real to you and you can poof on it and it’s gone, you’re getting very very close. And until then if you can accept the unfolding without getting hung up, hanged up, tangled up, sidetracked by a little item, a little fragment, you're going to make it. We’re all going to make it. You see, we all have to make it.
We all are going to make it. I am not going home without you and you are obviously not going to get home without me. Because there are some steps. I didn't say you couldn't. I just said anyone who is working with me knows you won't. You won't. Not because of what I would do, because of what you do. You've made that choice. And a lot of you are still trying to make it, that choice. It's all right. You've got to do something to fill up your thought time. And it's, it's boring. It's incredibly boring to read about the Mason order. But it isn't boring when you realize that the adversary created it for your downfall. And it doesn't mean you take your little fire hatchets and tommy hawks and go down to the local Masonic lodge and cut its little doors open and go in and peer behind their little ritual candles and things. That's breaking and entering, and that's entering into private property. That is not the way you win. Truth will set you free. And those masons down there taking their little initiations and picking each other with forked things and so forth, threatening, you know, I promise that if I, if I don't lie, you know, because part of the oath is that if you are confronted with this, you lie. That's the obligation. The obligation that you take in this initiation is to lie. Well, you see the Jews get around it really good because they first do the Kol Nidre, which means that all my vows are not worth anything anyway, so I can vow anything I want. So they've got two things going for them that you good ordinary masons didn't understand. And that's why they get to be on the Supreme Court and you didn't. They make it to the 33rd degree because you were not aware that they had more tools than you did. You just know better. And they cannot be a threat to you. So what if they want to run around threatening, if I lie or if I don't lie and if I tell this oath, cut my throat from ear to ear. Well, that usually kills you, so that does something about death, doesn't it? A blood oath under the threat of mayhem and violent death so help me. This is not a Christian organization as in Christ. Because Christ God would never, ever ask you to do anything under the threat of death. And He certainly wouldn’t do these things in the dark under a hood. So it's games. You children play games. But when it gets to the hierarchy, when it gets to the Henry Kissinger level of understanding, he isn't even to the top. But I want to tell you he's got the rules down pretty damn good. Does that mean that if he divulged information he would expect to have his throat cut? No. He knows better than that. That's just for scaring you little children. He’s already lost his soul. And ones asked, well, what about replicas? Do they know they're replicas? Have you ever heard of the fountain of youth? How easy to deceive someone if you're going to come back with your consciousness. You'd buy it in a minute. And if God stands there confronting you and says, come on with me, I'll get you into safety, you're not too safe down here, you would decline to go. Because you've been promised something that in your wisdom you know will not happen. But you've been promised everlasting life through a new body, a new being. You can watch them being plucked off all around you, but it doesn't come through up here in this newly programmed data bank. I will be different. I will live forever. I hear this down at brewers for my own group, well I just don't want to go this way, this way, this way, or this way, and they're trying to burn me, stab me, shoot me, I'm not going to go. And every one of you would be the first on the boat, first at the dock, take me first, I want out, I want out of here. The difference is in perception. And the difference is in soul intent. And I would reinforce, once into the full knowing without the veil of human consciousness, there is a level of you that knows, yes, you have agreed not to capitulate to that game, because we have a mission and you have a service. And we will not go back into the full knowingness until the time is proper and we're called home. And that's not to be just yet. Have I used up my thirty minutes? 
[other speaker] You've got thirty-five minutes, Commander.
That's all on that subject. Does anyone else have another one? How much time do we have on the tape? 
[Oberli] We have another side. 
[other speaker] Thank you. I appreciate that. 
These are the things we should be talking about as much as we can. We have to write about those things that we write about. And ones, or just like you, who receive these tapes out there anymore, they want to share these things. They feel very left out, that they're out there in Arkansas or Texas or New York or somewhere, and they're not experiencing in this room. It's up to you how much of yourself in sharing we can get out to those ones. They're of your group, their service is somewhere else. And they can read the books just like you can. But these are the lessons that your hearts and your souls are crying out here.
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[other speaker] Are you recommending us to go out and vote? 
A lot of that has to be, let me state the question rather than do the microphone. The question was, are you recommending that we go out and vote? Absolutely, I recommend that you go vote, with a few exceptions. If you are already the center of attention, politically, as in Dharma, I would not want her near the polls, because they will watch the polls and see who comes and who goes, and who they voted for and who they didn't and a few things like that. But by all means, especially the ones of you who have worked so hard, do what you feel you want to do about it. At some point, the numbers of you that go right in Bo Gritz’s name or whoever, whoever's not on that ballot, that's the only way in this election that your voice can be heard at all. As long as there are ballots. Once it's all gone to electronics, there won't be write-ins anyway. I don't like to dump it back in your lap, but that's the answer. You're going to have to do what your guidance tells you to do. 
[other speaker] But isn't the whole thing rigged? The whole voting system and the counting of ballots? 
Well, but they have to make some of it known. Basically, yes. But how can you change anything if you don’t participate in the change. And some incredible things have happened. 
[other speaker] Commander, I would like to make a comment on…I hit the bottom switch.
[Oberli] You’re not supposed to hit it, I hit it for you. Push up the little one. There you go. You got it. 
[other speaker] Okay. Jenny and I were able to go and listen to Bo Gritz Thursday night in Las Vegas. There were about 1,500 people there. It was great turnout for him. He made one comment about the Weaver case that I don't think is known yet, and that is that the trial has now been moved to February, the middle of February, and his comment regarding that was that they're expecting a very large turnout in support of Weaver, and in the middle of February in northern Idaho, it's not a very pleasant place to be. So that's why they probably moved it. 
Well that may be one of the reasons they moved it. Was going to be very hard to hide it. Very very hard to hide it. With some of the other things that have happened. And when you get a turnout going, you see, this would tie up Gritz at, right at election week. But so what? But there's too much out there now and it would pull amazing publicity. So they're kind of between that rock and that hard place also. And so let's just keep it as miserable to be there as possible. And we mustn't forget them. And I know that you ones don't. Laurie is a faithful writer. There are others I, I continually hear. I'll tell you how bad the system is. Ones of you send him papers and pens and things. And of course he can't, he can't write otherwise. But they don't let him have them. More please. 
[other speaker] Is it possible to send…
[Oberli] Not quite. There's a little one on the side. That one. [other speaker] Hello. Is it possible to send something to Bo Gritz certified mail return received requested or something like that from to sign for it? Would that get through the prison system? 
You mean to…. 
[other speaker] I'm sorry, I meant Weaver, yeah. 
I believe that as nearly as I have monitored, everything is getting through to him. It's just that they won't let him have these things, these supplies in with him. He is able to use them but it’s very restricted what he is allowed to have. But even Liberators and Journals have been able to get through to him. And there are several, there are several of the Patriot groups that are, they have not been as supportive, and nor were they as supportive in the beginning. Almost all of his mail, there is no way that I can express my appreciation on behalf of his feelings and Kevin's. Mine because we're family and you responded and he was flooded with letters of caring and love and in the beginning almost all of them came from the Liberator readers. Now he does hear from many. There are several other groups that will be greatly involved in the Campbell case. He's going to need the same kind of loving care. They're trying to keep his location secret and etc. because it's been really uncomfortable with the Randy Weaver case. And it's going to happen again with Campbell case, except that no one got killed so the feelings are not quite as irrational and high on either side with this case. Because the purpose was to get Bo, they couldn't get him before, they were going to get him involved in this one. So they're stuck now with having to, well they know that they can get, if they don’t do anything really basically they can get past the election now because they have done all of these things and they've been able to keep Bo's name from you. So they're not concerned about him and the problem he will offer at an election time. And of course, afterwards, they perceive he won’t be any bother at all. But afterwards when you have someone who continues to push the message of the Constitution and the fact that you can pay off all of this debt with as phony a piece of material as they have offered you, people are going to hear. That's why you can't just push Liberators and Journals toward a rapture or toward an election or toward anything. This is truth that's going to have to unfold. And you know that it has to get nasty because they've got to bring down, I hate to use the term guillotine blade, because they've got doles around also. And you’ve got brothers now who have seen them in conjunction with crematorium ovens. Now is this for scare? The guillotine certainly. The ovens are having to be put into places of retention because there are two things. As a scare tactic and as a counter for disease, what are you going to do with all of the bodies that succumb to the diseases that they plan to bring upon these interment camps? So it sounds like everything is terrible, and I bring fear, doom and gloom. Well, you're stuck with it. 
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I'm going to bring the truth and if that's fear, doom and gloom, so be it. But I can guarantee you, if you know what to do to protect yourself and you have the truth of it, you can also have the freedom. And it's the only way you'll get it. And what you’re going to be able to utilize for your own body of simple things can protect you. The other side of that coin is, is do you want to be one of the only ones out there tending all of these others? That is the magnificent question. It's okay to survive, it's okay to be a remnant. But are you just looking at survival and being a remnant? What do you think will be demanded of you as a remnant? What do you think you'll do with a hundred million dead Americans? What will you do with those bodies? That many bodies just along the California coast, for instance, will pollute the water to the point that you won't be able to use the fish life in it probably for a while, depending on what is introduced into those bodies as pollutant. Or, whether or not there's radiation present. So there are many, many things. If I wanted to really be fear, doom and gloom as I'm accused of being, we would talk about all of those things and really finish off this meeting on a low note. But I don't think that you ones who are doing all you can to preserve yourselves and put aside some stores for yourself and your brothers. I don't think you need to hold all of that in your consciousness continually up here. There should be the light up here. And sometimes it needs to show clearly through, and not through that dark glass. Because you have to hold to that higher truth and that higher goal and that higher knowing that you're going to get there or all these painful things that attack your emotional structure will pull you down. And the more Godly you become, the more painful these things become. So you have to keep the goal and you have to keep your perspective and your purpose. And you have to release those things that bombard you. And that's why we have to hold to each other. That’s why we must be gracious and kind one to another. We have some blessed things that can come to be, but if we pick at one another, they cannot come to be. They will not come to be. You will not allow yourself to receive them. While you are pushing and poking and complaining and picking at another, you are on the offensive, you are not in the receiving. And until we can receive, and don't think that your brother can't receive right next to you, because he can. But if you are poking at him to get him on your side, neither is he in a receiving mode. He is in a defensive mode, ready to attack, if his discernment says your right. So you can come to these conclusions within, after you've studied well. And then it's better to be in a receiving mode, so that you are available and capable and ready, whenever there's opportunity, abundance, or whatever gifts might flow back. Hold it very much up in, uppermost in your heart and in your minds, because in that consciousness is where it takes place. And if you sever your relationship from your brother in any manner whatsoever, you cannot receive. And, and there's so much truth in that good book if you interpret it, and you listen, and you read it, there will be two in the fields. One will be taken, and one will be left. That's very real. Very real. 
[Oberli] Excuse me, Commander. Let me turn the tape. 
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