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Susan

RADIO INTERVIEW: G. C. HATONN AND SAM RUSSELL, KTKK RADIO SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH

MR. TESLA AND MR. RUSSELL

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[Sam] called and objected to some of the articles appearing, evidently he felt that these articles were outdated and somehow were not terribly valid. And I don't know, Commander, this all gets into this realm of the scientists, the two scientists really, Tesla and Walter Russell. 
Yes, it does. 
[Sam] Who has come under attacked his work at least and some of his adherents, I guess, in this day and age have taken some objections to the appearance of his material in some of the publications. 
Well, actually the two gentlemen that you heard from are part and parcel of the very ones who are trying to squelch the information, discount the Liberator, and do these other things. They are working in conjunction with one that wrote the book that we asked ones to purchase, actually, the Committee of 300. That book is very valid, because the information was taken from that which was written prior to that by one Eustace Mullins, and even from the LaRouche organization, etc., etc. You see, the Journals and the Liberator only take information as you would if you were writing journals called Time Magazine or Newsweek or any regular truth news publication. The Journals come out about every third or fourth week. We don't write novels. These two particular gentlemen were set up to do this to your program, and therefore I must tell you what's going on. The fact is that Mr. Tesla and Mr. Russell had come to a joint conclusion that their work was only half complete because the secret or the future, as you would perceive it to be, would deal in total light frequency. Tesla knew that. Everything ran on frequencies and is simply energy.
And that energy at Source is light. Now, Mr. Coleman, the one whose name is on that book, came into this group. Mr. Coleman is not what he appears to be. He has an alias of John Clark, William Clark. He's got dozens of aliases. But his name is Joseph Pavlonsky. He was trained by the Mossad. He came through claiming to be with British Intelligence. He is an agent and he is being discounted and he has managed to cause ones to literally steal the mailing list of both the Liberator and America West mailing list, criminal politics mailing list, one by the name of Warner that befriended him. And he has written to all of these people. And if he hasn't, he gave us four letters, which, if you will just pick up this week's Liberator, you will find them posted. It is pure and total blackmail. And you can blackmail all you want. Commander Hatonn does not blackmail. I will not tolerate it. And I'm sorry, Sam, this is what your program has had to put up with now. 
[Sam] Well, I recall these two callers from our previous sessions, and so, yeah, I sensed that they were just information specialists, they seem to like to do that. 
My impulse because it is so hard on my people and it is so embarrassing to you and it is such an affront to your listeners that my feeling is almost that I should not participate. I should leave it in the hands of you ones and yet ones are crying out. They know there is more than this kind of life that you have. And they know that you are bogged down. And they also know that God promised to send the Hosts and the Messengers always before the great cycles change and the great teachers come. And I could withdraw and just thank you for being gracious to me. My, I repeat, my scribe, my translator, my people have been through enough bombardment through the last ten generations, as have you. And as you try to bring truth to a failing, falling world, it will get worse. And I am plagued, I agonize over it, because I cannot release you from it. I can't do it for you. And this is the best we can do. And I'll hang in there as long as you will.
[Sam] All right, very good. I intend to hang in there personally.
I realize that. There are some staunch ones who will change this world, as you know it. And it will be ones like you. 
[Sam] Thank you. We have some calls. Let us move along now to the telephones. We have Marjorie on the line. Marjorie, you're on K-Talk and Open Mind with Commander Hatonn. 
[Marjorie] Yes, what an honor. 
Thank you. 
[Marjorie] Very happy to talk with you. My question, I have two or four written down here. Now, I understand you are Hatonn, but who really are you? 
That's who I am. I am an etheric energy form. As one's a symbol, our last little journey, our last little training station was in Pleiades. And you will find fourth dimensional beings and third, you know, that is going to be your next experience. That kind of experience. You're not going to move from humanoid, in your experience, into fifth-dimension etheric beings. You are going to transfer into a higher state of frequency, and then you will continue to move up the chain. You don't just whammo you’re God. And the... in these greater missions, these are your brothers. We are the most like you from Pleiades. And the teachers of which I am a teacher, Hatonn, I am an etheric being. But I can transfer back and forth at will. This is the greatest gift of being, of God energy. 
[Sam] So you can manifest in visible form or return at will then? Yes. But at this particular transition of your Earth, I do not longer come into physical form because I have sat in your summit meetings and I have been subject to exactly what Randy Weaver was as the Federal troops tried to take me and I had some of my brothers there with me and it's very handy to be able to just go and vanish. They can't hold you. 
[Marjorie] Is it real or can it be an illusion also? 
It can be an illusion, yes. 
[Marjorie] So it is there for our benefit and not necessarily real?
Well you're getting back now to the soul purpose and the manifestation of experience. Everything being an illusion it's very hard for me to, you know, to discuss the two. 
[Marjorie] How many of them are there on your illusionary spaceship or whatever form you have come in? 
Well we have, that's very hard to answer. Are you talking about etheric beings or just beings? My craft, the command craft you see is some 900 feet across. So we have a very, very large crew. And we're talking about a command ship. And then we're talking about a very large mother craft or which would be the equivalent of your world.
But we would never have more than the 500 million, because we are equivalent.
[Marjorie]  That's very interesting. 
That's what your planet was created to house in balance, was 500 million. And that, by the way, when you hear George Bush say, we're going to depopulate because we will not have more than 550 million people, that's exactly what the New World Order means. And you are in the middle, you are in the beginning of depopulation now. 
[Marjorie] Yes, were you mortal at one time?
Yes, I have been mortal. 
[Marjorie] Now how does Jesus relate to you? His tribe you said…
The one that you call Jesus is an erroneous name but it's valid for you, don't let me confuse you. The one you are referring to I assume is Esu Emmanuel the Jesus or the Christ Being 2,000 years ago. Is that the being you're talking about? 
[Marjorie] Uh hum.
Because that's the being that I consider my Commander-in-Chief. [Marjorie] That's the being that what? 
I consider to be my Commander-in-Chief. That this is His project. Now you're going to find that that same energy, that same Christ energy experienced in many forms on your place, and He means one thing to the native population another to the Buddhist. We're talking about a a state of being when you speak of a Christ.
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[Marjorie] Now so you are here at His direction?
Yes. 
[Marjorie] Now you are here to help us is that correct? 
Yes. 
[Marjorie] And in helping us to become more God like to move on to the next dimension is that correct? 
That's, that’s, well our mission is a little bit different. Each of you have your higher guides and those are the ones that guide you through your dimensional changes into truth if you will. Our mission at this time, and yes, I am a guide, but our mission is to bring the Word because the Word has gotten so completely misrepresented in almost every way there is in this attempt of the adversarial forces to take your planet and lock you into a physical perception so that you can't break through. So basically, to put it simplistically, on the higher level there is a battle for souls between the light and the adversary who would bind you to a physical expression. And that's what keeps you coming back in your miserable plight, if you will, because life's journey should be joyous. And yet you can see, and all of the teachings from every source will tell you that before the ending of the cycles, or the great cycle, there would be total chaos, there would be a period of time where evil would rule your world. And you're there. 
[Marjorie] I can feel it coming. 
Yes, you're there.
[Marjorie] Yes. 
It's happening. 
[Sam] We have to move along. 
[Marjorie] Okay, thank you so much. 
[Sam] Thank you very much for your call. And here is J.C. You're on K-Talk and Open Mind with Commander Hatonn. 
[J.C. ]Ta-da. Eli Hatonn? 
Yes.
[J.C.] Shema Eloheinu Adonai Echad? 
Well, I certainly guess the Adonai. 
[J.C.] Could you finish that for me?
No.
Is it only English that you can communicate? 
No, but that is the language that my scribe speaks and I respect that.
[J.C.] Are you limited to that yourself? 
No, but I speak a universal language. 
[[J.C.] Could you answer a question for me concerning the highest one, the Holy? 
I would try. 
[J.C.] Is it One? 
Yes, it's All. 
[J.C.] And do you enjoy us? 
Do I enjoy you? 
[J.C.] Yes. 
I don't understand what you mean. You are me. You are part of me. So I certainly enjoy you. I have great rapport. I am one of you. So I don't understand your question. I realize that you're giving me a test, but I don't know what in the world it is you're trying to prove. 
[Sam] More precise, J.C. 
[J.C.] Well, it wasn't so much of a test as it was an embrace.
But you're testing me, and I don't know what it is you want from me. [J.C.] Just whether or not you would enjoy myself as completely as I enjoy you. 
I enjoy you tremendously. We are One. There is only One. 
[J.C.] Well, this has been great. We should do it again soon. 
[Sam] All right, sir. Certainly we shall, JC. And thank you. And we move along now to Marina. You're on K-Talk Marina with Commander Hatonn. 
[Marina] Good evening, Sam. 
[Sam] Good evening. 
[Marina] Commander Hatonn, how are you? 
Very good, thank you. 
[Marina] I want you to bear with me just for a few minutes and let me just say a few things and then I'd like your comment if I might. 
Very good. 
[Marina] Okay, in life you know there are many challenges and one never ends his life without them and if you are truly of light I would think you'd be more than happy to be challenged and yet if asked to prove yourself you've gone a defensive. My impression of the light or a God Source would be one of love and warmth. And it would want to embrace and protect, not be on the defensive when asked a few questions. The defensive is, they're human qualities and not one of a higher being. What do you think? 
Well, I think that you're absolutely right. I am a space commander. I am working with humans in a very human element and I'm continually challenged and I don't mind the challenge I do object to the insulting attitudes of ones giving the tests. If ones are actually asking for some kind of proof I can give them proof but it's going to be in energy form. It is not going to be in an argument over what is a photon. 
[Marina] To get as a higher being than in knowing humans, you should know this is our characteristic.
Well, I do know that it is your characteristic, but does that make it correct? 
[Marina] No, that's not saying that it makes it correct. 
Well, but you are putting limitations on me of what you expect of me, and therefore if I do not give you what you expect, then I am somehow lesser. 
[Marina] But being of a... and maybe I'm giving you too much credit. No, I'm asking you, why do you perceive it to be that way?
[Marina] No, I'm not saying that I don't believe that you are the light or that you're not of the light. I think what I'm asking you is that we all are seeking for the truth and for verification of the truth. We are curious people and that is if we can't see it, touch it or feel it, usually we don't believe it's real. 
But precious, you are asking in truth. Two gentlemen this evening are asking in a tone to pull down the truth. 
[Marina] Yes. 
And you would not appreciate me as a commander or any other kind of form if I allow them to continue to do that to you, I love you that much. 
[Marina] Well, and I love myself that much too, but I would appreciate you more if you knew something of the truth and I were to ask you a question and you could tell me that question. Because learning is for everybody and knowledge is fast and we will be learning and seeking knowledge till the day we die. 
Yes, ma'am. And if I give you an answer in calculus, when you have asked me that question and you don't understand kindergarten or third grade arithmetic, I have done you no favor. I have only buried you in more that you cannot comprehend. 
[Marina] Well, before I close, I want you to bury us because we are speaking the truth and if you are truly of the light then I embrace you.
I thank you. I certainly thank you. 
[Sam] Alright, thank you very much Marina. The listeners seem to be coming back at the idea that these two questions that were posed by these two individuals, they feel I guess that you were sidestepping them and I don't think that was it at all. I think that to answer those adequately, it would have required an explanation that was totally beyond and foreign, would have been totally beyond and foreign to those who asked the question. 
Well, let me put it this way. To answer the first question it took eight volumes at over 200 pages a volume to respond to it. And yet simplistically, I said it, you are a thought projection of God. And God is light. Light is all. Truth is all. Love is all. That is what God is. And you are manifest in that reflection. And yet, see, they want a great mathematical breakdown, I suppose. And I have done that. I have done that, Germain has done that, we have eight volumes that explain it explicitly, and they are important enough that these people, these very people that called in here are trying to get them banned from the ability of you, the people, to have them. 
[Sam] Well, that really is true, though. Those volumes do exist. And so for those who might be put off by this, I hope you'll keep in mind the idea that it's just as impossible to deal with that kind of a subject. I mean, you're asking, what's the form of Creation in 30 words or less in a two-hour talk show? Now, come on. 
Let me talk in terms of one of your advertisers who comes on and says use herbs. Why would you use herbs? In 30 seconds sound bites can she explain to me the cellular structure of the mitochondria and the chondrional and the chondriona and why you would use an herb? You see you want the secrets or the greatness of a universe and you want to open your mind and flexibility but give it to me in 15 seconds or less or you're false. Well, I can't do it. 
[Sam] Well, of course, that's the soundbite mentality that we've grown up in.
Yes, yes, and it's one of those things that we're all stuck with. And yes, I get extremely frustrated. I don't get really angry, I get frustrated that these ones in these positions have done this to you ones. 
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And I can't seem to break that binding from you. And it is extremely painful to me. 
[Sa] Well, this comes with the territory. Let's move along to the Weaver Davis line. Here's Henry. You're on K-Talk. An Open Mind with Commander Hatonn. 
[Henry] Hi, Commander. 
Hello. 
[Henry] Have you visited with Billy Meyer in Switzerland yourself?
No. Not as such. 
[Henry] Can you tell me why... Have you seen the photograph of the disc in the air that Billy photographed? 
Oh, yes. 
[Henry] Can you explain why they have to pose in trees sometimes? Can you explain that? 
Holes in trees? I can tell you why they would photograph as they do, because you're going to have a current wash. As the air moves around the disk, it's going to backwash and it's going to make it’s going to cause the tree to flow. And if you're taking a motion picture, you can see that motion. You can also get perspective. You have to remember when you're talking about Billy Meier, Semjase, yes, or Semjasi, is the daughter of Semjase who was one of the higher beginners, if you will, of that particular tribe. And Semjase is from Pleiades, but the ones that are most often attended are the ones like Asket, whose pictures are taken, and these ones are from the Dao universe. They're not from Pleiades. And yet the truth comes from both, but there is a different perception of the laws. And one has one purpose, the others are here mostly as teachers and observers. And in all of it, Billy Meyer got badly, badly had. 
[Henry] Better, that helps a lot. 
[Sam] Alright, well Henry, I think also just to put a little bit of my own perspective on that, having those discs photographed against trees gives you a visual perspective against which you can then compare with a known object the, the UFO and that's why they do that. 
Well you have another problem too and that is that ones tried to come into your space and make themselves known this way and thought it would be acceptable it's like one say well if you just turned off all the televisions and you came on and we'd all believe or show up at Super Bowl Sunday on the 50-yard line, we'll all believe. No, that's not true. That is not true. You don't believe. And as things went on, and there were such valid, wonderful things coming out of the Billy Meyer experience, only to be blown away by total falseness, and the one ship that makes the greatest impact on all ones, has great big bubbles all over it in his absolutely exquisite and I would guess it's about a foot and a half across and it is a mock-up and it's a lie. And so in the very same space where you have such a great truth comes the lie and then ones effort to pull the man down. They, they practically killed him. 
[Sam] Yeah, it was too bad.  They tried to make those things look like they were phonied up, but you have to remember that Billy Meyer had one arm and a grade school education and to think that he could have phonied up those photographs is just beyond comprehension. 
Well, he has been terribly, terribly used.
[Sam] Henry, appreciate your call. 
[Henry] Thanks for both of your hard work. 
Thank you. 
[Sam] And here's Gordon. You're on K-Talk with Commander Hatonn. 
[Gordon] How you doing, Sam? 
[Sam] Hi. Good. 
[Gordon] Commander? 
Yes. 
[Gordon] And I'd like to say hello to John, who's probably listening right now. 
Oh, I hope so. 
[Gordon] I'd like to find out, you talk about the pending evils that's coming, and I can see it. I've read it, and I see the evils that's about to take over. What do we as individuals that believe that this is happening, what do we do to bring about clarity to the people that say our government would not do things like this? What do we do to inform other people? That's one question and then I have another one if we have time on a quick one on Area 51. 
Well I'll take the first one. You're asking me something that obviously I'm not doing very well. We're doing, you, you and every other person who is willing to open your eyes and listen and just be perceptive and then stay in the lighted shield. Ask God into everything that you do. You must ask God into everything that you do because that keeps yourself shielded. That's when God can respond in protection. And I don't know how you reach out, it just takes a long, long time and persistence. We just... you will note now, that as you try to say things to people, and they won't listen, that after tomorrow the confirmation comes. It comes in the form of a mountain in Idaho with 500 troops. It comes in the form of maybe an article on the front page of the paper. It comes in the form of the black box coincidentally coming forth out of KAL 007 on the same day that your government, through William Clark made a deal with China. And William Clark was the one who planned the 007 bring down. So it's those things. And I don't know how you can even piece them together if you don't know how to even listen to the news. Because you can get it all from the news. If you know what you're looking for, reverse it and keep your eyes and ears open and ask for insight and you'll get it and it will flow just like a river. 
[Gordon] I see. 
And your other question I would hear. 
[Gordon] Quick question, a few months back possibly a year, I can't remember exactly, there was a power failure in Las Vegas and information that I have received, not from the news media or anything, but from an individual, he claims that the epicenter of the electrical storm that knocked out that power system in Las Vegas originated in Area 51. Do you know if this is correct?
Well, I'd have to look into it because there are so many outages that never make it to your attention. And it's very probable the whole underground is catacombed with facilities and tunnels, so. 
[Gordon] It was in Las Vegas and a lot of the casinos lost their power source and it was quite a shake up. It did make the news media but they didn't say that it was an electrical storm or how it originated or where it originated. 
Well you see the only place that... 
[Gordon] And there was that Area 51. 
There's much cloning taking place in that area. There is a lot of massive nuclear acceleration studies going. And as a matter of fact, the only thing that can even begin to simulate what we were talking about earlier, these gamma rays coming in, these multitrillion-powered rays, the only thing that can even approach it are these massive nuclear accelerators. And you have them there under Nevada. [Sam] Gordon, thank you very much for your call. 
[Gordon] Take care, Sam. Thanks, Commander. 
You're welcome. 
[Sam] And Colleen, you're on K-Talk and Open Mind with Commander Hatonn. 
[Mike] Yeah, this is Mike. 
[Sam] Whoops, okay, something happened to the computer screen. Hi, Mike. How you doing? 
[Mike] Okay.
[Sam] Good. 
[Mike] I was just wondering, did Christ create the world? Jesus Christ? 
No. 
[Mike] No? Who did? 
Not Jesus and not the Christ. 
[Mike] Okay. 
The Higher Being, the Central Being, you call Him by all sorts of names. There is a higher Creator than even the ones that you would call God of your particular area of the solar system. 
[Mike] Okay, is Jesus Christ the Savior of this world? 
No, Jesus Christ is not. The Christ being... 
[Mike] Pardon? 
The Christ being would be. Do not confuse the two terms. Jesus is the name of the man manifest. And actually it was Esu Emmanuel 
[Mike] Two thousand years ago is he the savior of this world? 
He is a, he is a Christ energy so yes it will be through the Christ energy that you will grow into your higher state of Godness. 
[Mike] Okay. 
I don't know how else to put it. It is not a man that did it. It is…
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