920613-2B

5-19-24
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

MANY LESSONS
 
00:02
Thank you, Commander. We're back on the air.
Our baby did it in a little less than 60, I just, I get off on this subject because I want you ones to remember that until you can grow in love, this does not mean no discipline. It doesn't mean just allowing ones to walk over you, because that is lack of self-respect. You can be assertive without being aggressive and nasty and rotten and judgmental. It doesn't mean you're not going to have disagreements. You're human. There is no point in living in a world where there are no disagreements.
You have to have some perceived bad or evil in the physical expression because that's where you grow. You have to have that to balance off all that good. It doesn't mean that evil and good ever balance. But it means that it allows you discernment of how you handle problems and anything that confronts you. And it gives you a relative measure of good. And yet ones say, well how then could I ever live in just good? It must be very boring. No, it is not. You just stop doing those stupid other things and focus on some very wondrous, exciting experiences. Your busy grumbling after what they, they have told you is good and wonderful. Going to make you feel good. No it doesn't. All it makes you feel is inadequate that you couldn't measure up to this whatever it is they've told you is the wonderful experience. Gets you completely out of balance with self and all around you. And it's hard because you're always going to be dealing with personalities. And your personality is not someone else's. There are as many personalities as there are people, viable people. Some seem to have no personality. It's because they've managed to put it down to the point that they have themselves tromped it into the ground. And yet their soul cries out to be heard. And all other things come in when you have beaten your own self down to where you live in the acceptance of that perception of unworthiness. And it requires more than just someone saying, no, you're worthy. Because usually what will happen is when you get to that point, you won't turn to God, you will turn to liquor or drugs or whatever is available that they will give you to ensure your death. You think cigarette papers are laced with opium? I told you that that's why they're addicting. And Dr. Coleman brought you some proof of that. Well, what in the soup do you think they put in alcohol? Do you think it's just some little shot of spirit out of a piece of wheat grain or oats or barley corn, come off it. They got you hooked. People are not just alcoholics anymore. You are addicted. I mean physically addicted. If you're on that stuff very much, and it ain't to alcohol. But you will become totally physically incapacitated if you give it up all at once usually, depending on what you've been utilizing. So you're lied to constantly and there is a massive, massive plan afoot to make sure that that does not slacken off. But you're going to learn to be kind to each other, or you're not going to make it. I'm sorry, you're not going to make it. God listens to the heart, and there aren't going to be all that many going to make it anyway. What's that group in Shambhala gonna do? You know Shambhala represents the center of the earth, dwelling place, one of the cities on the inner, on the inner. See you go down about 600 miles and everything reverses. You haven't thought about that in a while. The early Journals kind of get lost. You have on the inside of this earth, not to mention the central core, which represents quote the sun. And because gravity is not what you think it is, everything seeking its density, you have ones who experience on the inner earth looking up at their little son walking around upside down to you. Certainly looks right side up to them. So what makes you think you're not on the inner side of something? That's worth thinking about. Are you maybe on the inside of the earth? You can't see out there very far, and you can't get out there very far, and you've got to worry about things coming and banging into your atmosphere and piercing holes through your shell. Where are you? Who are you? What are you? Are you little ants in the glass bowl? The little ant farm in the kindergarten school room? Are we something out here peering down at you? Or peering out at you? Or up at you? We're in all those places, I can guarantee you. Because long ago, as we grew and learned our relationship with God and our ability to Create, we will be anywhere we please. Does that mean that all ones from out there or in there can be anywhere they please? No. And most ones coming to your place from the outer spheres, play the game according to the contractual agreement. Most of the Hopi Indians, for instance, know they came from the earth, so when they pass on, the Great Spirit departs. Part of that spirit goes on to experience in what they call the higher dimension, but it is within the earth. So that when they emerge again, they consider that they emerge again from the earth. The plains Indians will bury their dead up on the platforms so that the spirits from the outer spheres can come and get their souls. There is something important about these myths, and this is a thrust of our writings these days. You once have to come into realization that all of these fairy tales don't cut it, but you're going to find the truth in the myths never told outright. You will have to always figure it out because you were not there to speak the language at the time. So it is a concept you have to first confront. Get your confirmation about the labels that man has passed down through the periods of time that history will record for you. Look at the symbols of Hebrew, Pleiadian, Greek, and the basic alphabet. Why did you call Earth, Earth? I've written about it today. You'll find it interesting. It comes right out of the Sumerian texts, by the way. They knew what went on, because there were a series of people who did exactly what we are having to do here, and that is give you the truth. And make sure that something is retained long enough so that the civilization moving to destruction can come into the truth and maybe make some adjustments before the big bang. 
09:56
You don't have as little movement of massive nature on a planet as you have in your perception over the past thousands of years without knowing that from time to time great cataclysms occur. Catastrophic events simply occur in the cycles of things. So you have to deal with an elite adversary trying to get control of everything physical on your planet at the same time you are going through the most massive cycle of a planet. And these are the catastrophes are grave events that shape a planet. It isn't that God picks out this group or that group and says, Out with you and in with this one. It ain't that simple. And always in dealing with the Creation, the beingness of the Creation, the experiencing of the Creator is what it's all about. And as long as you have little groups running around setting themselves up as little, I wanted to say Tito, but I guess you've got a better one, little Hitlers, little organizations, Little popes, I'm going to set the rules and I am going to strip you of your robe and I'm not going to let you in unless you come in under my terms into your own dungeon to survive. Survive for what? There is, you know, a quality of life existence. Who wants to survive in a black hole until the wheat runs out? What for? That is not life. Life is that what you do with this soul. And you only have one reason to keep your bodies alive, quite frankly, is to accompany and serve that soul to the highest good of the species and God who knows the highest good. It's your tool. And if all you want is just to make sure this body survives, then you go jump in the nearest hole. Somewhere I knew I made it with Dharma. When there was such pain over the blame hole that she said, I ain't going in there. You know, if you need more room, brother, I'm not going in there anyway. And I'm certainly not going in there if you've got a computer and a keyboard. Well, you see, when you can look at it in those terms of quality of experience, and you want to prolong this journey because you know you're not through with your service, then you've got your hand in the hand of the man, people. If you just want to preserve your things and your little assets, you haven't got anything. And you're going to be miserable, you're going to hate every moment of your survival, and yet you’re too afraid to make a separation called death. Why? Because you must know there's something left and you don't deserve to go where you know it's wonderful. In that knowing that there needs to be a cleansing, wouldn't it be wiser just to get at it? You don't have to go to the Philippines to say, hey God, I think maybe I'm going to get on your team. You don't have to go tramping in the jungle. All you've got to do is go within and see what in the world it is that makes you tick. What do you want? What is it that you want that disallows you from giving full love to your neighbor here, to the left or to the right? What is it they have that you perceive you wish you had or you didn't want them to have or whatever it is? When you confront what that is, then you'll get your direction. What in the world are you trying to do? And if it's save your assets, it ain't worth it. You're not only going to lose them, you're going to be very, very miserable about it. And these ones trying to get a job done, and trying to survive long enough to serve, and get a remnant through, well, they're going to get pretty heavy boots, and they're going to tramp all over you. There's no other way. God will never, never leave. Never. Never, never, never. But you can turn away and you can push Him out and He'll back off until you call. But until you can let go of these fragments that block you because of personalities, you can't get your job done because you can't grow over that. You can recognize the difference, deal with the difference, allow for the difference, and then you can go on and grow. But if you are blocked right there at an impasse over personalities or what you have or don't have or someone else has and you wish you had, or you don’t want them to have it, period. And you kind of revel every time it goes a little bit wrong for them, you better look at self very, very carefully. Because maybe the worst thing that could happen is you both end up in that same survival shelter. And maybe somebody's going to forget the Arid and the Ban. God doesn't expect you to become perfection. If you were perfection, everybody would shun you because no one feels they measure up. That's a nice part of the human experience. A lot is allowed for. But it's perception, and it's understanding, and it's knowing, and it's not the silliness. It's not the fibbing. It is the lying. Do you see? It's the lying of the heart. It is not words coming out of the lips and the mouth. And then the actions you put on that that bring pain is what you're going to confront later. In the loneliest, most silent reaches of the silence. This is what brotherhood's about. It's about not having distance with all the distance there is. It's the sharing and the working together in spite of perceived distance or space separation because you're going to have to learn that if you're striving for the goal, it's going to happen. And there is no time and there is no space. And you're going to have to one of these days get on with understanding it because you are chosen. You are not elite. You are elect. And that's why ones are called to want to be in your presence, to share. It doesn't have anything to do with a Dharma or a Doris or a Hatonn. You're just receiving some physical presentation of some kind. But you want to be close. Now why would you want to do that? Because for one thing, you can. It's fortunate when you can. But the substance of the strength that sustains, sustains no matter where you are. And this is why we cannot be there. You’ve got to know and function and act in absolutely the same manner as you would if God were in front of you in manifested form. Thinking you would do it if, won't cut it.
20:16
Ed came back and he said, Mike and I decided, and we just talked about it, we've got to stop thinking and we've got to stop doing. We've got to know. And it's not easy. And once you know and you've decided you're going to do that and you know it's better, does that mean that you're not going to have any doubts? Oh, no way. They're going to be looming up there as big as neon signs. And while I mention neon signs, I would suggest that you ones scared of being in the dark, consider neon. You can heat up gas and make it glow and it will provide light for you. I just thought I'd interrupt and throw that in. There's some scientists around you know who could just rig that pretty easy. If you can figure a way to start it you can make gas glow. All it is really is photons. You know what an expert is?
It’s a has-been drip under pressure. Well a light bulb really is just gas under heat. It's a little more complicated than that and I'm talking about a neon bulb not those other primitive kind and when you get better at it you can project one stream of energy. I did not say electricity because you perceive something when I say electricity. I said energy. Movement, movement, pulses and waves projected by thought and you can turn on that narrow little beam and produce light. So you're only passing from the primitive into a little bit higher level of knowledge. That means that most of you have come back from knowing and are having to rediscover, not reinvent. And it's planned on this place that it be done in the proper sequence. And some get so hung up trying to develop something that they get fixed in their mind that they want to develop. And usually, like these little vibration boxes and stuff that you go and you, I'm going to heal everybody in the world. No, you want to make a big name for yourself. And one after another of these well-intentioned persons fall to the wayside because they don't understand the connection with God. I said connection with God. If you're truly connected with God, you're willing to wait and set that ego aside until the time is proper for the unfolding and it isn't always easy. Not in this group where impatience is the rule of the day and each one wants to do it, whatever it is. Well in many instances it's personal growth. You're dealing with the well-being and the transition of a planet. And very often you act like preschool children sitting around playing marbles or jacks or paper dolls. And you want to just share everything up and you just want to do this and you just want to do that. Why do you want to do it? All you're doing is destroying. You want to tell everybody? Well, this isn't a church group where you get up and tell everybody. We're trying to get the Word of truth to the world, not opinions. Not opinions. And ones can come right back and say, but Hatonn, you give your opinions. I usually let you know when it's my opinion. I guess I've done enough church. Yes. 
[Desiree] On our... on our... hello? Hello? Is that okay? On our... just if you could possibly help a little bit with the bigger picture on the Nevada connection and interlinking with Tehachapi, is that... I want to understand it, the spiritual part of that move.
Desiree, you're going to have to begin to rely more fully on Sananda as a support system for you, precious. I feel like my children are going. I feel like the father that is so close that I want to put the lid on the nest and not let you fly. Because it's going to be the hardest for you as a little fledgling of anyone. Because you're going to be torn. There is no way that I can be in the presence in this room and not let you know it’s going to be very hard because you're going to be cast now more strongly into a missing support system. There's no way to be there and here at the same time. And this troubled Dharma to the point that she could not meet and talk about it. I had to write about it. The same reason that Sananda tries to reason with you. There comes a time when other ones should be allowed their growth because you can't know the contract of another. And ones are driven to see needs for change in order to fulfill what is their perceived task. And with you, just putting it right straight across, because that's what you're asking me for, is going to be harder in many ways than it was to come here. Because in one way you were coming to your strength and now you're moving away from it. So you're going to have to take it with you. And it will grow. The crevice will grow. 
[Desiree] Is that bad? I mean, you're saying I'm taking it, going away, but I don't feel like I'm disconnecting from you. 
You won't be disconnecting from me, but you ask about Tehachapi. 
[Desiree] Oh, I see.
And in many ways you will be disconnecting from Tehachapi. And you will be disconnecting in many ways from this relationship right here, where you perceive a speaker because you can't hear. None of you hear clearly. Don't think for a minute that Dharma hears. She just knows how to speak. We've worked at this. We've worked at this for eons, eons of time. All of you will come into that. But when you're sitting alone and the problem is personal and it is in your consciousness, it's hard to deal with. On an emotional level, it's going to be easier for you. On a sustaining level of spiritualism, it's going to be more difficult because you will be cast more and more into the world as you do more and more and more presentations. 
[Desiree] And that's the way it's meant to be? I mean, are we following our destiny? That's what I'm... 
Only you know. It's not for me to say. Dharma felt some way I was sending you away. No
[Desiree] No, I don't feel that way. 
No. There... no. And yet, eventually there need to be the two. What must be done for this passage must be done here. And what you are doing can be done as well from there. And it opens up other avenues of business that will allow George to flourish. And it's just one of those decisions that have to be made. You are human. And you have to listen to that which is within. Because that is your guidance system.
30:45
The most important thing to do is regardless, whatever decisions are made and actions are taken, make a success of it. 
[Desiree] Well, my intent, and I believe George's, is to continue and flourish in our service to God. That's why we would be doing, making the changes. 
Well, we can double it up, can't we? We can do twice as much. I'm serious. We can do twice as much. 
[Desiree] OK. It’s scary though.
It sounds like it's wondrous. Oh, well, hot dog, I'm going to go over there and I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. No, it isn't. It is scary. But we can accomplish twice as much as long as we work and never lose sight of the goal. Because to get to that goal, many different things have to be done, and you're still going to have to do them within a system. But if you do not change that which is as you move along and it's hard, it's going to be harder for you. George has been in the business world for far too long, and yet he will attract back those ones who thought he had gone completely bonkers anyway. And yet they're going to be demanding on how business is run. And that requires capitulation and compromise. And I don't like either one. But in order to structure a different type of business organization-wise and allow a passage to be made and growth to be made to get a remnant through, those other things have to be done to shift focus. And that's what you've accepted to do. That doesn't mean the impact won't get heavy, and you'll have to be very careful, or you will have a tendency to fall right back into the same business traits that are destructive to soul, if nothing else, as you go day to day. It's true for anywhere. It's true for here. I'm specifically talking about your transition because that's, it's you that's moving. There's just as much to consider here and neither of you have very much of anything upon which to function during this this separation time. There are many ones here dependent on the work. Over there you still must be somewhat dependent on the work and yet up until now it's been so much outgo that you've just had to jump in there and take that risk with God. And in knowing that you've run the risk with God, you know that the abundance comes back, but how much do you have to worry about it in between? Well you have to always act in wisdom. So yes, it's hard. 
[Desiree] So when ones move in different locations and stuff and if ones do come with us to help assist whether it be in a transitory or whatever, that's still serving God to get the Word out, isn't it? Well, of course. Yeah. Of course.
[Desiree] We need a lot of help. You know for the transitionary period and so I'm just putting it out there.
[other speaker] Commander, how much sleep should we get to be more efficient in our work? 
Well, Germain and I have a little bit of a demand. You're talking about sleep or work. 
[other speaker] Well, I was listening to one of the tapes and you were talking about how at night we go places to do more work. And I was wondering, because sometimes I like to stay up late to work, I was wondering does that mess up with... 
Absolutely it messes up.
[other speaker] So we should... 
Germain, Germain, if you are working with and for Germain, this is a task master. And unless there are extenuating circumstances, he wants you in bed, asleep by 10 o'clock. I'm a little more flexible because I laden you with more responsibilities that just seem to take the time. And for instance, Oberli simply cannot get the things of the day done and into bed earlier than, but he tries to make the bus at midnight. I try to get Dharma to bed earlier than that, and the minute she hits the bed, I've got her aboard, and we work until something like 3.30 in the morning. I don't have any given amount of time that you need to rest. There needs to be time for data processing of your life experiences. And those things are done during the sleep state in the dream state organization takes place in that mind because the mind doesn't sleep. It rests. And what really happens is the body needs rest, but it usually is that the mind demands more time and begins to shut the body down intentionally to require that you attend this sorting process. But what will happen is without the ability to sort your own data, your own experiences, confusion creeps into the picture along with the fatigue. And basically you become rendered helpless. You're lost in the confusion. You're unable then to sort. And require retreat or time where almost you are ill. Sometimes the only way there is to get your attention is physical illness that just requires you to go to bed for a while. Hopefully without disease because usually by then the body's immune system and defenses are down because of the stress and the disease has the ability then to overwhelm. 
[other speaker] So is it good to sleep a full eight hours or maybe less or what? 
Well yes, yes. You don't get eight hours of sleep but if you try to get eight hours in that bed thinking it's sleep that's good. But because I have you so busy, all of you ones, I certainly wish you ones would heed my request. When you get up and you know you're fatigued, take time in the afternoon. I will say this, 15 minutes with me aboard ship can gain you eight hours of rest. But I can't help you if you won't cooperate. And unless you take time to come into some kind of communion and relaxation with God, you don't hear. You are just plugging away and you are batting against a brick wall. And I know all of you think, well, I mean, here was Scott Tipps, thrilled to death, weary, exhausted, but having won a law case, but he didn't, he had to work all night. Well, you shouldn't allow those responsible things to pile up until you have to work all night. And staying up late gets to be a habit, but some people function better in the evening and are not functional in the morning. So you have all sorts of personality traits with which to contend. Do what is most effective for you.
40:15
But when we talk about, now we're really going to get down and talk about group work. Germain starts his groups at 10.30 p.m. And he'll take stragglers, but boy, he doesn't like it. And you can be, you know the next morning when it has been a real exercise of a night, because you ones are basically teachers. You don't get to just go sit in some classroom. You are responsible for the training because you are representative of the older energies, the elder teachers. And so you're working. And when you don't allow your own time for preparation, you just get worn down. And you're tired. And He is relentless. He'll make you feel awful every morning. 
[other speaker] Commander?
Yes. 
[other speaker] [undecipherable] 
Well, more than being put through a meat grinder, when you depart, that body is usually motionless. 
[Oberli] Excuse me, Commander. We need a break.
41:42  [Tape ends, repeats back to the beginning, ending at 83:30]