920516-3a

4-19-24
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

WHAT IS MAN? WHO ARE YOU? WHAT ARE YOU?

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Is this mistranslation or just fiction on Moses' part? Perhaps I have to leave that to you. What is man? What is man? Who are you? What are you? You are an energy form. You are not the body. And it doesn't matter where or of what the body is created. God through thought and coalescence of a molecular structure built around a DNA blueprint and genetic structure is what forms a body and that will be from all elements all elements of the place or environment. I have to leave it to you. Do you feel like a mud pie? Because if you feel like a mud pie, that's all you're going to be. When God told you, He created you in His image and I don't care what you perceive, that image is pure unadulterated light and it is not a body physical and therefore if He created you in His likeness in His image that means you are perfection of light until you tinker with it. To go on, one last question from the Journal Matter Anti-Matter. You reply to a commonly asked question, is there any true church on the earth? By stating only in your heart. I've covered that. That's the only place it is.
Your connection with God. You are the church of God. To continue, the LDS church maintains they have the correct principles and ordinances which everyone must at some time be subject to in order to enter God's kingdom. Hence, they do work for the dead. Your statement leads me to believe you feel they are not the true church, but false prophets seeking to lead us astray. Is this your opinion? I have no opinion. But you have just said that everyone must at some time be subject to their correct principles and ordinances. It says nothing of God's principles and ordinances. And if you wish to do work for the dead, I commend you highly, because as your energy flow reaches through, those ones who were lost can thereby find their way. Because always the guides of the lower informed or the lower knowledge level must refer to the higher knowing ones. So each of you have guides. You can call them angels, you can call them spirits. And yet in your manifest form here you of higher counsel and higher knowing must be the guides to those without that level of knowledge. Now how do you come up? You do it through study and coming into knowingness. You do not do it by restricting yourself to ones who maintain they have the correct principles and ordinances and refuse to allow you to seek further for fear you may find out that their principles and ordinances were not, after all, total truth. That still is between you and God. Is it they who are in error or you who has abdicated your responsibility and followed blindly? Of all the things I do not ask you ever to do is to follow blindly. To continue, I've enclosed an article by profit of the LDS Church as to the authority and keys required to receive revelation pertaining to the kingdom of God and the salvation of His children. See enclosure number two. We'll look at that later if we have enough time here. I cannot see where you or Dharma fall into this category. Would you explain God's order of this and how we should know if what you teach is of God or the adversary. I'm not going to balance anything against your doctrines or the doctrines of anyone. And I'm not going to tell you or explain God's order of this. And how should you know if what I teach is of God or the adversary? I cannot include Dharma in that because she doesn't go forth and teach. She sits and writes what I give her. She might have an opinion the same as you have an opinion, but not in her writing for me. And I speak for myself. There is only one way to know whether or not I bring truth and that's to test it. That's to test it. That is to get all the information you can garner from me and then test it because within your heart you will know. And until you have studied it and heard it all, every word, you have no right to judge. You can refuse it and you can turn away from it and you are perfectly well allowed to do so. But only you will decide whether this is of God or the adversary, only you. To continue. {doorbell interruption] To continue, my last question is one that arose from a conversation with one of your followers and so I didn't actually read about this. It pertains to Jesus not dying on the cross but was revived and escaped to Africa where he raised a family. This is the way precious ones' stories get twisted. This is exactly the way stories get twisted. This person is telling another person a story. I'm not even going to take the first part of the question. It pertains to Jesus not dying on the cross but was revived and escaped to Africa. Never in any writing that you will find from the Phoenix material does it say. In fact I don’t believe it ever says that the man even went to Africa.
And They Called His Name Emmanuel, which by the way, Hatonn did not produce, the master teacher went to India into the high Himalayas and Tibet. He continued to study with the great masters of the Far East to come into His fulfillment of an expression upon a given plane of experience, whether or not it was at this time, is not going to be revealed by me in this particular message. So if you want that information, you're going to have to read in the cult, His Name Emmanuel. But I can tell you right off the bat whether this is your misinterpretation, R.D., or the friend who is one of our followers right there. The difference in Africa and India. 
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It may not seem of great importance, but this is exactly what has happened down through the ages with one Judah Iharia, Judah Iscariot, and Judas Iscariot. I thought I heard him say Africa and if you question him he will say well I remembered it as Africa. Does it matter? Only in that it is a wonderful example of how errors are transmitted. You cannot take 56 of these Journals and read them and remember accurately, not at your conscious level. So you are asking me to make comment, for instance, about things which bear no validity one way or another in my perception. And always ones want to argue on the basis of the physical presentation of another when they don't even really know what the other says. And I really go through here and I'm really impressed with this person's work. To go and look up instead of just say, well I heard or the Prophet said or the teacher said or mother-in-law told me. These are truly seeking people having been told to believe something, trying to come to justification with why they believe it. And all ones want this magical two by four across the head that after that you can't possibly not believe that somehow there will be this proof in the very presence of the contradiction. And this one does wrap up his letter by saying, as you see, I have a lot of confusion on these matters. If you don't have time to respond personally to these questions, could you direct this letter to someone who has the knowledge and authority to answer for you? You see no one is given the authority and certainly not the knowledge to answer for me. I might ask someone to answer to the best of their ability and in their opinion as they perceive what we teach here, what we bring you. And this is what God has always said. I will give it to you. You will have to interpret it. And ones with assumed authority come along and interpret it and then tell you that that's what you have to believe. So when we come to this one, how can I respond rather than to say, well, I have the authority and the knowledge to give you what I have given you. But you're going to have to read 56 Journals. Because what you are asking is someone to respond in their opinion of things that I have written. And I cannot sanction it, nor do I give anyone the authority to do that. And that's why we're taking this time with this, with this writing. Usually I get back, well I can't afford to do that, I don't even know what your 56 books are and some of them are by Germain and some and I'm not even sure I like Germaine. I can't help that precious ones that's out of my control. Totally out of my control. I do however have control over this particular machine so I'm going to stop right here and ask you to turn it over. Thank you. I am so appreciative because as I look through these papers, let's look at enclosure 2A. Son, I don’t know how to respond because I see you are torn and I see all sorts of backup material and I in my heart know that you are in a placement whereby you are torn and if you contradict the doctrines or the teachings of the church, it's certainly going to be less than acceptable. It could cause you to be shunned. If you were in the Catholic church, any discrepancy or disagreement with the higher authority of the church itself would cause you dismissal or excommunication. That same thing has happened within the Mormon church by ones who disagree with the man made doctrines according to the interpretations of the higher scriptures. This is all understandable. I'm not here saying it's satanic or something like that. Because these are the decisions and discernments that each soul, each being, each consciousness must make. And when we speak of tithing, which is a very large thing in church organizations, if in fact one comes to the services and participates, and if the collection plate, for instance, is passed and you don't put in, there is the guilt syndrome sets in. I... All ones must come to complete comfort with that which they give and share in the donations they might make to the work of God as they discern it and judge it to be worthy. A donation in a church group is often called a donation because it is a requirement of the IRS regulations. With these particular tapes that go out, there is a, quote, donation asked, which simply covers the cost of the material, the shipping, and a little bit toward the one who does massive amounts of work to make them available. It's hard, it's hard for me because I know the truth of it. God brings His truth to all ones and He brings it at no requirement. None. And yet in the human physical to exist man must have. He must have barter or money or something of the physical nature in order to simply survive. And if one's drop out and say well I don't need it, God will provide for me. I will just sit here and wait. That's called a welfare system primarily. And that's certainly incorrect because you have just made an action and you have made an action without responsibility. True charity is not welfare. It is not even called welfare. It is called reaching out to your brother and helping when he needs it. 
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And in response, when he no longer needs it, he serves either you, a gang, or another who needs. So tithing gets to be a real problem. If one's wish to contribute, for instance, to this work to the Word then please do it either to individuals, through individuals, but when you come to a meeting, there is no collection plate, for instance. We only have meetings and gatherings to share the Word, yes, but to allow the different jobs involved here to be allowed to meet and converse and to share. As in a business meeting or a necessary gathering or when we have these kinds of meetings where we take up these subjects, I'm going to respond to these questions and all ones are welcome to come and hear and share and question. Let us look at what you have given me here. And if you will please allow me just in the name of speed to... Well, I'll just try to read them as they are. I'm not sure how you have labeled this. I know that it's importantly labeled, but I think that I am doing a bad job of it. Five. I answer yes, but there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it. I love that. There are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it. That is truth. Whatever you consider us to be, we're only here because we belong to you and to it, and you unto us. GD page 435 Nature of Ministering Angels. We are told by the Prophet Joseph Smith that there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it hence when messengers are sent to minister to the inhabitants of this earth they are not strangers but from the ranks of our kindred, friends and fellow beings and fellow servants. The ancient prophets who died were those who came to visit their fellow creatures upon the earth. They came to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob. It was such beings, holy beings if you please, who waited upon the Savior and administered to Him on the mount. The angel that visited John when in exile and unfolded to his vision future events in the history of man upon the earth was one who had been here, who had toiled and suffered in common with the people of God. So be it. What is an angel? How do angels traverse the universe? If God would send unto one He would send unto all and each. For in the ending precious ones there is only one. One. You again become one with God. That is your journey. That is your purpose. That is your end. DC 64.23 Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice and a day for the tithing of my people. For he that is tithed shall not be burned at His coming. Could it be that tithing in this instance means coming into truth? The giving back, meaning the opening up and allowing the knowledge to come, so that you will not be burned on that day. Do you understand there are going to be some physical things happening? And the only protection that you have is to give unto God enough time to hear the truth against that day. Alma 13.15, and it was the same Melchizedek to whom Abraham paid tithe. Ah so, he didn't pay tithe unto God, did he? He paid tithe unto Melchizedek. Well, I hope you ones know what you're doing. I sincerely believe that with an open mind you can come above some of these things and go beyond them. Do you realize that you just walk from one enslavement into another and you will never have freedom as long as you bear these restraints and restrictions and limitations upon God because you limit self. Yea, even our father Abraham paid tithes of one-tenth part of all he possessed. Numbers 18.24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as a heave offering unto the Lord, I have given to the Levites to inherit. Therefore I've said unto them, among the children they shall have no inheritance. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. I cannot even comment. You see, one of the first miserable errors and deliberate commissions of evil against your Bibles and all sense is the turning of the word Israel, a little i-s-r-a-e-l, chosen ones of God, into capital I-s-r-a-e-l, which means a nation or a place. And the capital I-s-r-a-e-l is a most recent, in your counting event, which set aside a group and recognized it as a group, as a religion, and as a nation. I cannot undo all of the errors. And you're not going to be able to get historical proof to undo it either. Because each doctrine, do you see, each indoctrinated group has compiled mammoth amounts of information to back what they teach what they demand. 
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And to relate to God in totalness, you only need less than half a page. You don't even need that. All you need is to come into balance with the knowing within self. For every soul birthed knows. What do you mean when you say a child has reached the age of knowledge? What do you mean when you try a person in your court of injustice and say, did he know right from wrong? What does this infer? It infers that at some point man comes into his knowingness of that which is right and that which is wrong. Even in your laws, you require that man is not let off simply because he didn't know the law of the village or the state or the nation. And yet God allows all on ignorance of the law. If you really didn't know, and you acted in the innocence of a babe, there is no question about your innocence. That is God. That is forgiveness. If you didn't know it was error or sin, it cannot be a sin. And it must be forgiven. But that's not what happens, is it? Because every soul birthed knows. You may not know the moral codes of any little groupie, but the heart knows the truth of the law of God and Creation. And that's all you need. All other things fall into doctrines of church groups set up by higher authority of man within the groups. And he claims he bases it on God's word. But God's word is very, very brief. And God always allows. And to come into knowing requires responsibility of discernment and then actions according to that discernment. Does this mean that if you discern that God disagrees with the tithing element here, that you cannot go to Relief Society or to the church meetings on Sunday? I don't know. That would be according to if you quit tithing what would you give up? What would be required of the church from the church upon you, against you, in favor of you, if you took exception to the tithing as accepted in the church? You would say, well, but the church has set this up and therefore I must follow this. Must you? Try it, see. Tell them I'm not going to tithe anymore, but I believe in God and see what they do. If you came to me and said I'm not going to tithe anymore to you, that's fine, because I never asked you to. I ask you to please, if you believe. And if you believe in what is being done by various and sundry ones that you assist them. Or I don't even require that of you. I ask you to read the material. I ask you to share the material. I don't even copyright the material. It may be a copyright shows up in the Liberator. That is from America West. God does not copyright His material. I ask you to take this material and go copy everything in it and send it on out. Or not. Whatever touches your heart. You can take all exception with me. You can criticize me from here to yon and I will do nothing. I place no restrictions on you. I place no force on you. I place no coercion on you. I don't try to rule you by fear or by restriction or by laws and rules of a given church. I ask that if you come and sit with our group that you be respectful of the group. And if you're not going to be respectful of me, you're welcome not to be, but it seems ungracious of you to be disrespectful in my house. Would you go to your neighbor and insult him in his kitchen if he has asked you to dinner. I ask you only for good manners and graciousness. You are free to disagree. And I certainly don't accept it as feasible even that I would demand tithing of you to partake of everything that we have to offer. So I cannot, I cannot respond to these things reasonably. I'll say something else, that as well as this is done. I am putting you at great disadvantage because you have done an exceptional job of pulling out bits and pieces, but it's very much like anyone trying to respond to something to make a point, and it sound bites. You ask a politician to give a full platform and what he's going to do as President of the United States and you give him 30 seconds to respond. I have been on interview programs and I'm given 15 seconds or less to respond, to give us the working order of the universe, for instance. So you have had to pull out information to give to me upon which to comment in some two sentences. And I will not do that. You see, I will not even judge the material, much less the men. I will never judge the men. I cannot even judge the material in any kind of integrity or honor without the whole of it. I feel I've done such an inadequate job of that, of this response. I would like to be able to share this with anyone who would like to discuss it. I also realize that by the time we come to the end of this tape, it's going to have been a very long afternoon. Because we will also have had a meeting to go with this tape. I have purposely put this to tape. I want Dharma to be able to hear it. Instead of continually missing every meeting by my presence and the inability to reason out these things at the time that the other ones who are joined together can reason them out. So I appreciate this. I'm going to close the tape, however. 
38:49  [Tape ends, repeats back to the beginning, ending at 77:50]