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MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

EARTH AND PEOPLE REVELATIONS

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[other speaker] Thank you for the thought. 
Just as the Indians knew when Mount St. Helens blew, it was a sign. Just as the aborigines know when the green ants come forth from out of the earth from their dream time, it is a sign. And within the last two decades, the quetzals have returned. We have put them back. They're only like 15 pair of them. There are the signs for every location where the Great Master returned and walked upon the land. And I'm not going to tell you what is in Saudi Arabia. That's their business. You can't keep up with what's here. But I am going to tell you something most important, where the eagles will gather in is right here. Now some want to smugly believe that that makes you special. If you are special it is because you are special and you have a purpose and a reason. The land is special, the nation is special, it is a place where we know we can get you through in the physical format, even if we have to lift you off temporarily. But the remnant will get through and the Word will come forth, consolidated. It isn't that truth has not come. It is that truth has come, been denied, been tampered, and then, worst of all, the scribe becomes confused. Well, Dharma says, does that ever fit me. Man, I am really confused. Well, she is so confused that I don't have to worry about her changing it, do I? She doesn't even have time to write it. My girl is changing. And yet I repeat, and she will tell you this, her job is no greater only different. And it may well be that one serving somewhere else are of far more value than anyone serving right here in this community. But you can't worry about them. You can only concern about self and as it unfolds you will know what you are to do. These are not coincidences. There is a reason that a watch band with this quetzal on it would be appealing and ones are sent out searching, they don't even know what they are searching for. But Marcella knew when she found it, this is where I was supposed to bring this ring. And Marcella left. It was as if she vanished. She delivered her purpose. And it matters not where she is now. But it was if she came right through. And this was a magnificent black woman. And there's a reason that there are only one or two or three that create these pieces of work. Because they are symbol. And only the ones intended to have them will have them. I will guarantee it. Mary Jo may buy it thinking it's a cute little bird, but it will end up where it belongs. These are not coincidences. And your attachment is to everything in this universe, not just this earth. And everything on this earth is your relation. And whether you realize it or not, it affects you, and you affect it. And this is a growing experience. And it doesn't really matter in the long run how it ends, when it ends. You live your experience to the greatest of your ability and you'll be fine. It's going to mean that you must come outside your own self. You can only relate everything in the world according to your perception and how it affects you. Granted. But if you make yourself the center of absolutely everything that happens and you cannot function outside that, then you're going to be incredibly miserable. Because life is giving and re-giving and giving and re-giving. Because life is God and that's what happens. And your life experience is that gift of God sharing through you, Himself. and yet there's no way that you ones can learn except through the experiencing and the lessons as offered by one such as I would like to share. I can get her to pay attention I'm not going to be able to Oberli. 
[Oberli] Alright. 
Let's see, she says she will try. It won't work, she can't read it. [Oberli] Alright, would you like me to read it?
Yes, let's just, I'll interrupt you. 
[Oberli] From the beginning? 
Yes, I don't want her name.
[Oberli] Alright. I knew this was coming. I will talk with ones of you who have already sent some documents. This is the one with the pain. The other one has pain that I responded to. But this one, as you will go through, is blaming everything, crying out, reaching out and yet you will be able to hear this because you've had access and you've now grown and I like for you to hear these things because it gives you opportunity to measure your own growth. This one has been into everything. And this is part of the reason that Dharma was not exposed to very many of anything. Because there comes the predisposed notion of how something should be. And against what it should be is what you judge it by. And then comes the doubting of everything. Even in the reaching out to me, right here, she is saying at some gut level, I believe you and I'm desperate and you're the last one I've got, you know, you hear me? On the other hand, she's countering that all the while, I don't believe, please prove to me a little I can trust. I can’t prove it. She already knows or she wouldn't have written a letter. So let us take it little bit by little bit and keep her in privacy. Let's not say where it is or anything. 
[Oberli] All right. My dear Commander Hatonn, I'm writing to a being I'm not, I'm still not sure exists and if you do, are you who you say you are? I've read about ten of the Journals and many, many of the Expresses. I seem to live in a state of confusion these days, almost to the point of overwhelm. I've searched for truth since as far back as my memory takes me, five, maybe six years old. The world never made sense to me, the pain and hurting all around. I held in my heart there was more that I didn't know because my heart told me God was love and justice and I didn't find that. My metaphysical studies answered many, then a Course in Miracles showed the way to peace by turning it over to Holy Spirit's direction. Friend, when my ego isn't getting in my way which is most of the time. Can you tell me if Jesus Sananda did channel that beautiful material? If he didn't, then we are lied to again, weren't we? 
[Hatonn] Now, you see, here’s a contradiction. In her way she’s saying, please tell me He did. Well what if He didn’t? What if I say, nope, lied to again, sure enough. You expected it, didn't you? And yet the petition is, please don't tell me this is a lie also. Does it matter? Does it matter? The work is a great truth. The worst, if you experience it, brings you into this first step of acknowledgement of self. And you have to go back. She would not know this yet and yet she does. Because you cannot have studied all of it and heard any of it without realizing that most of them will tell you it all comes back to One Being. And if Jesus Sananda ever experienced period in the thought of anyone, He has to have written it if you ponder it. But it doesn't matter, if truth is true take that portion which is true and utilize it. 
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If there are errors in it, bless them set them aside for the knowledge that you've gained and honor the ones who have presented it to you for sharing. If it is wrong, it will not stand. If it is truth, it will stand the test of time and eternity. And it matters not who wrote it. And if I say He didn't or He did, and she is not sure of who I am, which should be accepted by her as a commander of a spaceship, what difference would it make? Go on. 
[Oberli] I so want to believe in something that is real. To know without a doubt I accepted the writings in a Course of Miracles because it did make sense and it was loving and gentle as my concept of God has always been. He taught that forgiveness means realizing there is nothing to forgive. That our brother is either reaching out in love or reaching out for love. That all of the ugliness and meanness and pain is caused from fear and our ego is a part of our mind that thinks we're separate from God, and it's our mistaken identity about ourselves. He says who we really are is God's beloved Son in whom He is well pleased. This earth life, for Him, the physical here, is all an illusion because it doesn't last and what God creates is eternal. And He told us in His error and other stuff on and on, three books worth. Dear Hatonn, you tell us, we've been duped and misled all our time, times on earth. Even Sananda’s apostles misled us. You tell us evil... 
[Hatonn] Only one really did. Pretty bad one. Even that’s, look, you could not have come to here had that not happened. And perhaps those ones didn't mislead anybody, but man coming along, rewriting and rewriting and rewriting did the misleading. So there's an assumption there, you know, that now whatever you're giving me is too big a dose to swallow. Read the first few words of that paragraph. 
[Oberli] Starting Dear Hatonn? 
[Hatonn] No, Oberli. 
[Oberli] I'm sorry, I'm out of focus. 
[Hatonn] I want to hear what she said, when she changed to the subject regarding the Course in Miracles is all right there the entire thing is right there. 
[Oberli] I so want to believe in something that is real to know without a doubt I accepted the writings in the Course in Miracles because it all did make sense and it was loving and gentle…
[Hatonn] Stop right there. Not exactly what I wanted but that’s, it will do. Does everybody hear it? She is looking again outside of self for something to make it fine with self. It will never be there. And if it were the real truth within her there would be no question about it. And yet you see she is defending it so you know that she has taken it in as true proof and she's terrified it will be snatched away. If it is within you and it is yours it cannot be snatched away. Nothing anyone can do can take it from you. And all the searching for all the things, all the truths, all the beings, all the gurus, until it is within you and that is your existence, you will not find it. All of these are simply tools to help guide you, to locate that which is within you. Now you can go on. 
[Oberli] You tell us that evil, the adversary, will suck us in by telling truth for a while, then fill us with lies when we believe. And now you say you're here to bring us truth, and after all this time, thousands of years, we're to believe you because you say so.
I know you tell us truth about our government, I believe most of it, still having trouble with the robotoids, etc. Revelations tells us it will come to pass, so is there really anything we can do to stop it? Everyone is asleep here. Even when they believe, all they do is say, that's scary. I own a business that is failing, haven't taken a paycheck since January or February, have started a new business, network marketing, because it appears a viable option and at this time little government interference. My love of six years is out of my life. My time is consumed with old business, my new business, trying to keep up with the Phoenix Journals and Expresses, passing out Bo Gritz and Dr. Stretcher tapes, talking to friends and associates. I think it was too much for my boyfriend, too heavy, and sometimes it feels that way to me. Sometimes I wish I didn't care so much, that I could have my attention on getting, on putting together and flying play airplanes. And I can't help it. It pulls me and won't let me hide.
[Hatonn] Wouldn't we all of you like to go play with paper airplanes? You see it’s a soul in torment. Unable to dis-attach from all of those things that are perceived to make one whole. Unrest within self for the wrong reasons. Please look at it, because they are the incorrect reason. And yet unable to sacrifice that which the conscience, the God part of you knows, is your journey. So you can't quite give it up. But you certainly can't let go of any of these other things without it being destructive to your psychic abilities to just continue to function. And you will struggle and struggle and struggle to save these outside things in the hopes they would solve.
And it will never solve it. I must respond to this. To someone already devastated, but you see what will be perceived as a very abrupt answer. She will not perceive it that way after the first five minutes. She did not write this wanting more stroking and you precious dear sweet little heart. She wants the discipline of knowing there is a God out there who will expect her to become adult, mature, but within and respond to that wondrous self you are. I'm not interested anymore in your little inner children. Zero inner children. There is an adult trying to get out. All of you act like children and a child reaches for this toy or this thing. Because that’s all it has in it’s little world to understand. It’s time for adults. Let the adult out. Let the adult out. Let the soul out. Stop binding it in all these things that you perceive without. You will perish. Because if you have them and you cling to them you will surely parish. She wants no proof from me. If I gave her the little song and dance about be and stroke your little inner child, she would throw up and I would be through. She doesn’t really want a miracle.
She knows she has to set her life to right. God will not do it. And if God suggests that He will do it for her, she knows jolly well good, she's got another phony on her hands. God will stand with her, walk with her, hold her, pick her up, and brush her off and say let's do it again until you get it right. Go on please. 
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[Oberli] Please don't take offense at what I'm going to say. For then if you are real and are who you say you are. It isn't to judge or accuse, it's a genuine concern. Your sarcasm when you talk to us doesn't sound loving and caring. You talked about the Russians dying, laughing when they rolled over into America in their tanks and said, you, our space brothers, are too, laughing it up. Laughing at the fear and the pain and the chaos? We've caused it, I know, but is it funny? It doesn't feel so. My heart aches to see the way brother treats brother, parent treats children, children treat parents, and those of us in special relationships so afraid to love causing one another such pain. 
[Hatonn] See, all she can see is pain. And she said it all in the last sentence there. She has a relationship that has broken up and she is very attached to it and somehow it makes her lesser and there is no humor, there is no living, there is no just going about. There is the perception I'm going to be sarcastic now and beat you children and that I think it's funny and that your space brothers laugh at you. Well, I’m telling you, your funny and you better learn to laugh at yourselves. But what she would perceive as funny may not appeal to you at all. So she is being pressured by her circumstances within self, feeling unworthy and that the whole world is coming apart and let's blame everything else. And how can you laugh while this goes on? Well, I don't think there's a great deal of humor in the laughter. We certainly don't think it's funny. We don't take lightly the blowing away of a planet or specie of humans. We are able to evaluate a situation a little better than you and some of us from a great distance with a little more balance because we know how it ends.  And that's something that your fourth dimensional brothers here to help you don't have opportunity to experience. And you have to keep everything in perspective and you have to move outside that singular me-ness that everybody in the world is picking on me. It's like going into a restaurant or into a store and you get snarled at. Like you're an imposition to do business with them. Everybody has a right to a bad day. But my friend, if you assume responsibility and you are in that store, then you had better shape up and be gracious to your customer and then you better keep everything in balance because I want to tell you something, the world does not revolve around you. You're struggling to get back to that Source, Source where you belong and maybe your little teeny thing here is spinning around you but very very minute part of the whole. And this person does not even know who Suzy is so he could care less about Suzy's experience. You cannot bear the burden of everyone. That's why you have to clean up what's within. Because you can't get away with blaming anybody else and you cannot get away with wrapping yourself in everyone's problem. You have to learn to accept responsibility, release that which you can do nothing about and come to peace within self. And because Joe Blow is suffering over the loss of a loved one over here, why should he expect everyone over there to grieve and mourn with him when they even don't know him. That would mean everyone would be in mourning. And maybe everyone should be. But it certainly won't get your job done, will it? And it sounds as if I'm being hard on this one I'm not. This was a painful letter to write. This is what I asked you to do, sit and write down what is your feeling and then you can look at it. You can look at it and you can see that if I change myself and my attitude. I will change almost everything about it. You can be in prison, and it depends on how you perceive your situation as to whether or not you are incarcerated in the mind. Go on please.
[Oberli] You tell us to search our hearts for truth and God will show us. I really held, knew our God was only perfect love and I didn't believe He'd laugh at our plight. And you say you're Hatonn and Hatonn is God. So God, are you laughing at us? If our brother Jesus Sananda's own disciples misled us, how and what and who are we to believe? This letter was to be a request, and I don't know if there is a clear request stated. I believe in love and goodness, Godness, and mine fails me. I believe in honesty and integrity, and truth and justice, and fairness and kindness and respect and consideration to others. I want to live that way and be that way to others, and I slip and slide along the way. My heart is filled with sorrow for all of us. My mind is filled with concern for our plight and for my livelihood and for the future of our children, whom we screw up so badly out of our own screwed-upness. Will there be peace in the valley? And if so, where is it, Hatonn? If you are who you say, can you help me believe it, to know it? Part of me stands aside because I don't want to mislead people more. I do know if I see that beam I'm stepping into it, then I'll know, won't I? 
[Hatonn] Well, she's not lost at all, you know that. 
[Oberli] One way or another, thank you for reading this, if you did, and for hearing me. I hope you'll respond. 
[Hatonn] And we most certainly will. But here's another thing that ones must outgrow. To whom is that directed. This is the perception always that you don't hear answers. If you petition God, God answers you. He doesn't answer Dharma. And certainly if you write through Dharma, you're not going to hear an answer unless it comes back that way. And she's only got 24 hours in her day. So I have to take time from Germain's Treatise on the Universal Order to give a personal response, but it's important enough and the lesson great enough for all of this room to be worthy of the time. All are worthy of the time. I am unlimited. And this is what I must some way bring into the understanding of ones who are touched by the material. It's not Dharma's business. It's not George's business. And ones must learn to listen. The problem is within, the solution is within, and the hearing is within. But you hear, and I don't like what I hear, I want to hear it from somebody else, and maybe they'll tell me something different and I will have been wrong, and I'm absolutely going to find you weren’t. And in a way challenging. I know I’m going to be heard again and you won't be the real thing. Well should I just tell her I'm not the real thing? Will that make any difference? Will it matter what I tell her? Yes, but to try to prove something won't do it. And yet if I'm too sharp, her little ego will just fold up. I knew it, one more to beat me. Because that little adult within is not strong enough.
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This is why a brother has to have brothers. We've got to stop doing this to each other. And yet you are being trained, trained, trained to do this to each other. Let's separate each other. Let's build expectations in relationships that cannot be met. And then ones  become isolated and invalid. Nothing that they do becomes valid in their own sight. And you have neighbors spying on neighbors. We have several hotlines from this place to write straight to the attorney. Everything these ones do is reported. That has to come from neighbors. And you have to learn to write Buffet. It's an annoyance because these ones it has truly become simply no more than a total annoyance because that will mean another confounded day wasted in court. But every court hearing we have gets our attorney more and more irritated because this nibbling little slime takes it personally. And he is insulting grossly, to our own attorney, who tried to give this little weasel every opportunity to be a man. And he uses every opportunity of friendship comes right back between your eyes. They must know it. And they must want to start a law center to deal with your constitutional rights. And this little weasel plays right into the hands of what we need. Why would he attach an Express labeling these ones as anti-Semites when his company failed to hold a public sale in downtown Bakersfield. I would say he may be laying the groundwork for a good constitutional confrontation. Let us count our blessings. He is doing everything to perfection. I honor this little weasel. There are some people on your place I have to laugh at. I enjoy them so much. He's one of them. I can't believe what a tool he is. Regardless of circumstances, these ones are still in the house it's under all legal all legal ramifications they said could not be in that house more than five weeks and then they arrange five months absolute maximum. And it's been over three years and they haven't even gotten to the first hearing again yet. They've never even been heard in court yet. And no matter what he does, he can't get rid of them. No matter what they do, they can't get rid of it. But they're still in that place, aren't they? And we're still doing our work every day. And we're making great strides in the periphery. We must have that law center. When ones change their mind about things, you must outgrow the pain. You see, with the recent mind changing, and I say this because of Audrey. I want Audrey to know this. These ones who have just changed their mind and are going to go with the car salesman versus God and advice. It slows up the convalescent center. We call it a convalescent center. It is really going to be a central hub with apartments but specifically for ones who wish to be retired because nobody's retired you see. But you want to have a little apartment and maybe Charles gets sick and he lives alone. It would put him into a situation where there would be checking every day every twice a day. There would just be this community. I'm not talking commune, I'm talking separate privacy but communion with the proper kind of care. There are several of you that epitomize what I'm speaking of. You live in separate places but you live singularly. And there are things that can happen. You can slip, you can fall, I don't care whether you're 78 or 3. Now in this group there is network enough that no one is going to go without attention. So there needs to come into the knowledge of who to call if something occurs. And if somebody doesn't show up for a meeting you find out where that one is. Maybe they're pouting, that's fine, let them pout. But maybe there is and they're too sick to get to the phone. Then in this group, there needs to be larger apartments where one still lives alone. And I use the example of Rhino, that's Al, for this group, who does formatting. He must have his computer. And he doesn't want an office somewhere. He likes working from another room in his dwelling. Lot of ones function better in that setting. So you need some larger apartment. And they need to be built with a new concept in mind for function ability, stability, durability and most of all example. So it slows us when ones make commitments and they're all consummated and then they withdraw that commitment. And not only withdraw the commitment, they withdraw whatever they have already done, which has included hours and hours of time, time and arrangements. Well each one of those steps needed to be attended. But there are disappointments within the group because there is misunderstanding without the group. Ones wants to believe this is a group. Cause. Mostly on the old cause. Church. Communes. They don't know where to put this group. Because it isn't, it isn't any of those things. And that's why it isn't any of those things. That's why there's no bright big collection plate in the sky. That's why when ones makes a contribution it isn't even accepted in large sums as a contribution. It is structured as business. That is for this group and for that one. So where the misunderstanding came in this instance is that some bunch of all cults, cultists, somehow marked have sold a bill of goods to this poor helpless person and we're going to set it to right. What had happened was some very good explicit business took place, gold was purchased and put into a holding place. Now they want all that back as if it were just a matter of writing the check and returning it. Because it was good business, it has to go back through the same route it went. To the bank, transfer the gold from the bank back to the gold broker, who will sell it, and this week will sell it at a loss. Now certainly Mary Jo does not want to take a loss. At least that attorney doesn't because he's making $250 an hour for this bad advice. And her brother has had to go all the way to Florida from Washington area to give her all this good advice and make sure that everything in her world is arranged so that he gets it. These ones go to the expense, bother and paperwork of setting her up a corporation.
That's off, completely. Never mind that someone else purchased it, set it up. Well, that actually is good for us because we can always use another corporation. Well, I talked to the accountant and he said it isn't worth it. We can pick up some cheap old corporations too, can't we, George? If you go down to your corner attorney and your corner accountant, they work for the IRS. They don't know their, you know, from their head. And you have negated the only value that you had in it to start with. Privacy. And this one could control her assets till the day and after she died. Keep it intact, all of it. What are they going to do with the money? 
[Oberli] Excuse me.
Oberli, I'm sick of that. 
[Oberli] Yes, I know. I've been completely consistent today.
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