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Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

THIS “IF” WORD

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[Oberli] Tape number two on June the 2nd, 1991. Go ahead, Commander. Now, I will tell you what you will usually get from your wondrous 68,000-year-old space cadet and ones who have their stables and we're going to be. We're going to sit around here in a lotus position and we're going to put on a purple shirt and we're going to now change the world. It's alright, we're just going to be. And it is all God's fault and God's going to change it. And at some point we're just going to rapture. And you know what? I would be disappointed if everyone in this room didn't get up and walk out for belittling your very sense of reason. The real gift that God gave you to set you apart, reason and ability to make choices, which we are trying to bring into focus now, reason, understanding so that you can come into reasonable choices. Perfection. I can give you all these words too. If we would all just hold hands and focus our energy at 12 noon all around the world we would all come back into balance. Yes, we would. Well, if we tested everybody, and then everybody wore their mask, and everybody quit using drugs, and everybody quit eating at certain restaurants, and everybody quit touching other people, and you see, this is also another thrust to separate and conquer by decision. And you've lived in this, if, world. And I want it to be that way too. You see old Hatonn comes, I’m old. I want it to be that way for you because I love you dearly. I don't want to see you pained. And yet man must have a challenge. And here is a good challenge in almost any direction you ones choose. You've got a real challenge going. But to bring a solution for this plague upon mankind. Ah, would that be great. And it gives you something to focus upon and work for and so you cured it. Let us just assume today you had a cure and then for a week everybody would go through the cure let us suppose we have enough to cure everybody in the world and by the first of next week you know 7 days later you'll be ready to rest just like God did and now there is no such thing. Will you have solved the problem of your planet and mankind and your government? And if you lose the right of constitutional law you will not even get to try that. So ol’ Hatonn is stuck with the reality of the situation. All these ifs would work. If man would do it. But man will not even keep a promise to himself to get up and walk for five minutes in the morning. Supposing the second morning it rains, well he's not certainly going to go out and walk in the rain. So the facts are, man won't do it. And there are so many, and since it is a disease that is foisted upon you by the very ones who can force you, one way or another, to do or not do something. It isn't likely to happen. So you have to take one step at a time. As a physician, all you can think about is heal thy patient. The thought of bringing an AIDS child into the world. This is hard, I'm telling you friends, for an obstetrician gynecologist. Because you're dealing with a life force. This is the portion of life creation of the human species. It's horrible to bring forth a baby with herpes. You'll do a C-section rather than bring forth a baby. Pass an open herpes lesion. And at what point do you reach when everything that is imperfect within is murdered, aborted? You see that point can be argued and argued. When does life take place? I'm sorry, I’m sorry, it physically takes place at the union of the egg and the sperm. It literally takes place a little bit then. But that’s the point a physical responsibility to that being, whole or un-whole. There is no magic day when it's alright to kill it. I understand all of your viability charts. If you can go 22 weeks, is it alright to kill it on the day of the 23rd week or on the 20th day? And these are the things precious ones that face physicians every day. They don't ask for this. They don’t ask really, well some do, most do not. Some make it a business. But most go into this profession for life, whole life. Eleanor walks with a cane, she has two imperfect hips. Shall we just kill her because she's not to a perception of perfect? Dharma is really getting quite farsighted. Maybe we better just put her to pasture. These are the heartbreaking things that doctors face, not to that extreme. How long do you struggle to preserve life? In the same hospital, there are adjacent rooms, you might have someone 90 years old that they are doing everything to keep alive while they are murdering the baby in its 19th week. These are the things that try men's souls. Man is imperfect, short of God, all is imperfection. And man sins, he makes errors, that's all. He falls short of perfection, which is all sin is. He's falling short of the perfection that he knows he must have if he wishes to go home to God. And there are a zillion, infinite numbers of levels in between. And I would love to have all the answers, and I do. But when I tell you what it is, you know it's true, too, but that's not what you want to hear. 
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You want to hear what can I go do to make this right. And all I can offer you is knowledge. I may not force you. I would not even wish to force you. These are things man must do. And that's why God sends the Word and allows man some recognition to move back into the direction of the Christed path. Jesus, as you called Him, just happens to be one who walked that kind of a path and has continued in his growing, his own growing. As you must walk that path too, every step of it. If all men turned unto God, back within the laws it would all be wonderful. So people say, well, how can you just write all of this material mostly Dharma says it because we can't deal with just this little fragment over here or this subject here. We must begin to bring it all into one where man can see that he basically only has one of two alternatives. He will come back within God's rules and regulations or he is destined to continue experiencing in a very ill world. The planet itself is in desperate trouble. This planet, if it is salvageable, will be completely cleansed. That means that all ones are going to have to be placed somewhere else to continue their experience. That means, guess what, that most ones save a little handful at the rate we are getting conversion. You'll be very busy and most will simply perish in your perception. They will be placed elsewhere to continue their journey. So you see it isn't all bad. Many ones don't want to interrupt their journey. They're getting some kind of perverted pleasure anymore from having AIDS. They are literally, some of them deliberately sharing their blood just to get AIDS. Now this is self-punishment. God is not punishing them. But when man deviates from God's laws, he will make sure he punishes himself because it is the cosmic law of cause and effect. Every action has a reaction. And if it were not AIDS, it would be something else. And I will guarantee you, if you cease to have AIDS, it will be something else. Or this old sweetheart will be turning around pretty fast. And according to the laws, there would be a period of time where evil would rule this orb. It would be the time of Kali, the time of chaos. And I think you've got it. I think you, I really think you've got it. And yet if you lose that dream of perfection, you will cause yourself to go on and re-experience until you bring that into balance with self. So you have to have some measure against which to balance your expectations. Because you don't know with what your test might be how well you come into balance with all of this chaos around you. How can you release that which is not yours to change? I've watched Dharma a take a little bird, you know, and drown it with those things. Live, live, you know, eat. Talk about your penicillin. I watched her feed Oscar Fish penicillin because it wasn't well. And she was going to save it. All she did was prolong its agony for three or four days. Got rid of the illness died of the treatment. You can't diddle. You could, but you won't in this experience. It's not made for this experience. You've chosen this experience to meet the challenges of this experience. And because of the veil, you won't always know what those real, real challenges are. But ultimately it must be coming into the knowingness. Not the thinkingness the knowingness. And you have a real problem there because ones of you who have volunteered and have returned and this is why you just you agonize over these things you will spend hours and hours and you will make books like this. Because innately you know it doesn't have to be that way. And yet your own God-ness knows that it will be that way.
And you will allow it. You will do what you can to make man understand because that's all you can do really. I know because I'm faced with it every moment of your perception because I have no time or space and I know that it doesn't have to be this way and yet Hatonn is limited too by those cosmic laws. They say I may not do it for you. I can only bring you lighted truth. So that you can look around and you can perceive. And then you can come into knowingness and one of two things happen. You really pull the power down and change things. Or you are elsewhere. Because in the knowing comes the change instantly of dimension. And you see, you know it doesn't have to be the way it is. And yet you to experience at this glorious time of a transition of a species, a civilization and a planet, you volunteer to come and serve. And yet you have all of the restrictions on any man anywhere on this planet. You are not given an easier task. In fact, you, yours will be pressured. Because in your gut you know. In your being of being, you know. And it's hard. It's hard because you know right in your grasp is the answer. And the simplicity of the answer, because you are manifested in a physical environment, man cannot accept the answer because he's lived an experience now in this manifested density of compression. But just as everything becomes compressed it will meet its full growth and then it will begin to expand and you'll be moving back. And then when you have made the full cycle, you will again be in balance. But you see, most don't really look forward to that point because that is void before recreation starts again. 
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We've written a fine book. We've written a fine book. And we have more. Probably, Desiree, two or three. 
[Desiree] You're always exaggerating.  
Nobody's perfect. Alright, perfect close. Let's visit a little bit. [other speaker] Okay. 
You had another visitor this week?
[other speaker] Uh-huh. 
Let's hear about it. 
[other speaker] You got it. 
Let's do a little discerning. 
[other speaker] Prepare one for me? For 40 to be.
Yes,
[other speaker] Okay. 
What do you know about him? 
[other speaker] Well, I'll let John and Vida and Ed share in these discussions. They were all here listening as I was. 
[other speaker] I enjoyed the prophecy reading. 
[other speaker] I did too. He had some interesting and valid points to make. 
Let's hear them. 
[other speaker] Number one, he came across with the fact that when the Russians, the prophecy is that the Russians are going to attack us. And that they are in position to do so. And it will be a surprise event. It will start with all the electricity all over the country going out. And it is everything that's involved in electronics. If you have machines that are made before electronics came in, you'd still be able to operate them. He had a Volkswagen, he had it so geared that it wouldn't go out electronically. It could get 700 miles even after the thing hit. Then 20 minutes after the lights go out, that's when the detonations and the flashes in the sky will take place. And even so you can measure these things, the low megatons will be about 5 seconds, all the way up to the biggest of them all is the 70 seconds.
Oh great, who's going to be there to measure? 
[other speaker] And he said, be sure not to look at them because you'll lose your eyesight. And then this wave would move west to east. So it wouldn't really take out everybody on the west coast. When it got toward Mississippi River, it would wipe the whole thing out. So there wouldn't be any people living on the east coast at all. [other speaker] In Utah State, that's where he lives? 
[other speaker] He has his farm shelter down there. 
[other speaker] Utah State? 
[other speaker] Yes.
[other speaker] That's where he lives? Utah?
[other speaker] No. He didn't make that statement. 
What do you know about this person? How old is he? 
[other speaker] I would say, what, 60? 
[other speaker] He's about 60. 
What is his name?
[other speaker] Leland Freeborn. 
[other speaker] It seems he had an airplane crash about, what, approximately about 15 years ago, and he was in a coma for 15 days and had, of course, this near-death experience where he did go over to the other side. He was told to go back, or he wanted to go back to complete his mission, and ever since then he's been given the gift of sight. And sometimes he dreams. He can never tell when it's going to happen. Maybe two or three times a month he will dream something very, very vividly and it's all come to pass. And I had asked him about one specifically, you know, can you tell us about one that came to pass? And so he said that he had seen a little boy about four years old drowned in a swimming pool. And so he, since he had several boys and several girls, he was quite concerned about it and they kept their eye on the children for quite some time. But it didn't come to pass until seven years later when the child who'd actually drowned didn't, wasn't even born yet. So it did come to pass. And then he went on to say other things. He was driving on down. Sometimes this can happen during the daytime when wide awake. 
[other speaker] Spontaneously. Something very spontaneously was driving down toward L.A. And what path was it?
[other speaker] He was over in San Bernardino area. The Cajon patch. [other speaker] He saw the huge atomic explosion. He saw the mushroom cloud. He saw it as though he were witnessing it right at that very, very moment. And he said 15 minutes later as he was driving by on down the freeway, he had passed the cloud and he could see it in his rearview mirror. 
[other speaker] Reflection. 
[other speaker] Exactly, reflection. And so these are some of the things. They're actually so vivid. Some of the things are confirmations of it that I knew that it was brought forth. 
[other speaker] Apparently after the crash he was so aware of the nuclear threats that he built this farm shelter stocked with food and munitions and that type of thing and has since then been putting out a newsletter geared around basically half biblical prophecies by biblical folks and past nuclear survival skills. He came across as a very humble, meek person. 
[other speaker] There's a lot of I don't know. 
[other speaker] He said I don't know a lot. He felt very gifted in that if all of this came to pass, he was stripped with nothing, with none of the supplies and things. He said our strongest, I don't want to misquote him, but something like our strongest protection is knowledge. Knowledge is the one thing that matters more than just about anything.  
[other speaker] Were you reading the Journals? 
[other speaker]You know, we gave him Survival and Emanuel, which he wrote before he came here. And so he's just going to read you just a little bit. 
[other speaker] And the Journals agreed with him. So he really thought they were great. 
[other speaker] He didn't know who the Hatonn guy was but he thought he was great.
[other speaker] Basically, the man gets visions. And if he would stick to his s and just describe them without going into his interpretations, he'd be pretty valid. His interpretations are, in my opinion, are pompous to a great degree.
[other speaker] He said at the time of the plane crash, he was a card carrying member of the Mormon Church etc. and was an Elder. After the crash started receiving these visions and started talking about his visions and profit. I guess prophecies for lack of a better term. And Mormon Church threw him out of course, because they really cut exactly how that happened.
[other speaker]  This is really interesting. Why is Mormon sticking up? Wouldn't let him be a Mormon anymore? Because only the president of the Mormon Church can authorize a statement. 
[other speaker] Authorize an interview? 
[other speaker] Right. 
That's Jack Revelation. But he's as good as any. 
[other speaker] There was a statement made that at 10 o'clock at night the surprise attack would come on the United States. Ten o'clock at night, all electricity would stop. Nothing would work. [other speaker] Didn't you say that Bakersfield was the third wave or something like that? 
[other speaker] Yeah. Third for targets. The other reason they would hit Bakersfield is because they have a 6,000-foot airfield up there. And what was the... was it Glen Canyon Dam? And then another one, Green Bay. 
[other speaker] There was two attempts on that that ended up striking him. What was the town?
[other speaker] Grand Ivy, the dam. There were two bombs there and his interpretation was, and this was the first one so they had to come back and hit with the second. 
You want my opinion? 
[group answer] Yes. Sure. Yes.
I'm not going to give it. I just want you to ask yourselves some questions. I haven't heard a one of you say anything about demanding that this space be cleared while you were listening to all these revelations. Did he say which side he went to when he made this little transition and back again? 
[other speaker] Yes. 
And why didn't he have one of these non-electronic things in his airplane? Maybe he wouldn't have crashed. I'm not going to give you any kind of perception about this person. I think these are good experiences for you ones. 
[other speaker] He spoke about his devotion to the one God a bit. He said he was with the disciples when he had his afterlife experience and spoke with Jesus or spoke with and he did not use the term Jesus. [other speaker] Yes he did. 
[other speaker] Did he? 
[other speaker] Yes. Specifically I asked about Sananda in that context. He had no information or knowledge whatsoever of Sananda.
[other speaker] How did he show up? Was he here because of the bookstore? 
[other speaker] Yeah, he had written to me a few weeks ago and said he would be passing through sometime this month and it would be nice if I could stop by and say hello. Without any advance warning he kind of drove through. 
Now, when you have all of these answers, let us just say the man's right. What will you do with it? 
[other speaker] No, it's a focus thing. If you can't focus, that's his protection of what may or may not happen. We have the ability to change those things. Don't worry about it. Go on about our business.
[other speaker] Well, and yet he is prepared a shelter. He has stocked the shelter. He has advised people of ways to protect themselves. That's the things he has done are totally in alignment with the instructions we've been given as I perceive it. I don't see anything contrary. 
[other speaker] Immediately afterwards I had a reluctance to accept it. 
[other speaker] That this would come to pass? 
[other speaker] No, his whole story was true. Big question mark. That was the impression I got. 
Why is this man's vision more valid than yours own?

[other speaker] It isn't. 
Thank you. Thank you. 
[other speaker] I like my vision better.
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