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MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

A PERSPECTIVE ON AIDS

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[Oberli] Thank you for the pause to turn the tape. Yes. Well, we don't get to meet often enough anymore that it seems my lessons turn into lectures and I apologize for that. We have guests that would like to share with us. 
[other speaker] I would like to know if you can test an AIDS patient for syphilis early enough to intervene but would it turn positive early enough to intervene? 
Sometimes yes. 
[other speaker] But not all the time? 
Not all the time because of the introduction, the way it's introduced. You see syphilis is a venereal disease basically so you're not going to transfer it the same way and because it takes a different systemic route it is not picked up as such in the bloodstream fast enough. But it can be treated. 
[other speaker] Once you have a positive test but if you never get a positive test then... 
Well, you see what I would do were I a human physician, is when I would guess a diagnosed AIDS patient because they usually going to express with something, an upper respiratory infection, something is going to cause them they're either going to become weak or pick up these symptoms. That's when I would hit them with massive dosages, intravenous aplofenozilone. And you're going to fight the medical association all the way. 
[other speaker] They might not let you do it.
They won’t let you do it if they know what you're doing. 
[other speaker] What's your end point if you start that treatment? A day, two days, a million units? What's your end point? 
I'd have to look at the scanners and really study that. I don't want to just give you an offhand answer for that. 
[other speaker] And what about some of these other treatments other people are working on? The electron theory bombarding the body with electrons and then there's the pulsating magnetic irradiation theory and then there's electrophoresis theory. These are all people that think that might be the answer to the AIDS cure.
Well let's go back to reason. Everything in your universe is perception. Without being ridiculous and I'm going to avoid answering that for a minute. To tell you that everything is light. Therefore, everything is illusion. Everything is thought of God. The part of self that is the real you, the real you would stand up, nobody would stand up because it is just is. And that's your God Self, your Soul Self, your energy essence. Therefore, that energy essence must recognize and be willing, desire, to give up that state of condition it perceives in the physical and allow a reversal of whatever process it has allowed to create. Now getting there can very easily be done through tones, colors, frequencies. Because that's all you have are these varying forms, if you will. Unbalanced forms, seeking balance, always seeking balance. And the moment finding the point of avoidance and becoming balanced will then seek equally as diligently unbalanced. So when you can choose the proper octave of this light to put it into a frequency pattern which is totally unbalanced with whatever is creating the disharmony in the body, it will disintegrate it. Simply because each are searching. It is going to be very difficult you see to have one frequency that will just wipe out all HIV virus. It would not be difficult to do that because it is a crystalline substance. A virus is simply a crystalline substance which can be exploded or shattered by the proper frequency. But the HIV virus mutates. So you're going to have to have a full spectrum. And what ones fear is that when they get enough voltage in the machinery to literally pull this off, they're afraid of it. And they should be. I mean, there should be a very healthy respect for what they are developing, what they're focusing. But light in its proper frequency will not harm the cellular structure. So yes, it can be projected. A frequency, a pulse beam can be projected that will explode, just dissolve, disintegrate that little virus. But so far you just don't have effective ones. And it's disappointing to everyone because the dream, and don't underestimate the power of the dream, because if the dream is there, the desire is there, and therefore must follow the solution. Because all there is, is the desire and the thought of God expressed in light. And light will be expressed in sound, in waves, in pulses. So you're going to want a matched harmonic of tone and spectrum color and you're going to find that both will be out of your frequency of perception because of the little entity itself. And this is where frustration level of Dharma becomes almost an ungluing point of our relationship for work. Ones are so busy trying to hang on to whatever they think their brilliant minds have created when all they have is a key, a portion. Say you've got 37 locks on a door. Bruce Cathie has one. But man has a tendency always to work with that which is physical because that's all you have are your senses. And you’re going to have to move outside the concept into that area of invisibility. You see, where Bruce Cathie gets to is where someone must furnish the next key. He can tell you at what point, according to arc and frequency, divided, multiplied, subtracted, et cetera, et cetera, by the octave, or what he considers 8 or fractions thereof. Basically, an octave starts at 0 and works both ways to a figure of 8. From 0 to 4 to 0 in either direction. And that is the sum total of your universe. And I will bother to write this man 5 pages and what does he get if George wants to quit publishing his book finally? I'm not interested in another man's work except as it relates to the overall human existence. That's my responsibility. And when ones have done brilliant work, brilliant work, and have accomplished to that extent to not bring it into flower is outside my realm of comprehension myself. But I have patience we can either utilize someone else's work or take a little longer and rebuild wheel. 
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But the man expresses that he's doing this for mankind. No, when you have that kind of response you're doing it for self. And you're going to clutch it unto self. And you're certainly not going to put up with some unseen space commander telling your secrets. There aren't any secrets. You just don't know them yet. There are no secrets. God is not secret. God is not special people. God doesn't toss somebody down there and then pronounce them Your Royal Highness, or my favorite priestess, there is none above another. How can there be any above God? And that is the reflection He has given unto you, Himself. So my answer would be to attack here. There are some pieces of equipment that do help. Some have really touched on it. But Dini had touched on it. But he didn't dare play with our voltage. And it was easier to give up Hatonn than meet the requirements of a piece of equipment. And until it is safe for all to bring it forth and not have it just confiscated, its perfection will not be allowed from a much higher level. Until man swings around and turns back unto God for the proper reasons for his healing and his cure, he won’t cure. Part of the reason that this disease spreads is because man says I will do it my way and it is my right and you just cure it. For what? So they can continue in breaking all of the laws of God in the creation. Does that mean that God does not love that fragment? No. It just means that until those fragments wish to reflect the perfection that they are, as long as they are pushing and shoving and demanding their right to destroy themselves, God will let that happen. Man wants something where he gives up absolutely nothing, he goes zooming preferably lying down so he doesn't have to make any effort at all,
and the light comes on and he is healed at the other end so he can go right back to breaking all the laws of God and the creation. So until the thought processes of man can turn again into the lighted pathway you will not have a cure because you cannot have a cure until man is ready to be cured. 
[other speaker] You have light individually, once you come in God and go? 
Absolutely and this is where a piece of equipment can be of such great great value and there's there's one in Las Vegas that gets exceptionally good results. 
[other speaker] But if anything is an illusion then the AIDS virus itself is an illusion.
That's right.
[other speaker] Then if you can convince the patient that what he has is an illusion he no longer has it. 
That's right. Now how would you do it? 
[other speaker] They're in my key.
Touché. Type of good old Greek word. Touché.
[other speaker] Do the one-worlders have a cure that they can use any time they want? Because this is one theory. 
They have an antidote, yes. 
[other speaker] It's not a cure. 
Well, what is cured? 
[other speaker] By HIV, no more. 
Will they have that ability to wipe it out?
[other speaker] Yeah, the infected cells are, there's back to health by getting rid of HIV. 
Yes. 
[other speaker] They have that? 
Yes. 
[other speaker] Would you call it a cure then if they were made public? 
Yes, just as I would call the Salk vaccine for polio, for cure for polio in that sense, yes. 
[other speaker] What kind of cure is it? Is it anything to do with a pulse antiemetic type thing? 
No, what they have is absolutely an antidote for it. 
[other speaker] Can you tell us what it is? 
No. not Patricia. Everybody at least one of you have got to try me. 
[other speaker] You said you need to ask. It’s not that easy. 
[other speaker] Not a cure but is there a vaccine where everybody in this room could be? 
That's what i mean in a in a sense it is not a vaccine. 
[other speaker] You don't have an antidote to cure it? 
But you see, precious, man you know, I've got a doctor here and this is going to be hard for him. You are dealing with replications. You're dealing with systems that are completely already corrupted. Emetic studies have gone so far and you ones have just not been allowed to know it. There are just such incredible things already perpetrated upon your earth that make science fiction look ridiculous. But then you thought Buck Rogers was far out when you were children and look it's old hat now, gone it's obsolete. Well we're talking about synthetic beings and you don't have you're going to end up with these different beings being mutated. And they're not going to function properly. So you're not going to have most of the ones who are already replicas. You're not going to have them picking up the diseases. It's already bred out. If you want to call it breeding. It's developed out, not in their system to be susceptible to it.
[other speaker] HIV just attacks the physical form not the soul? Right.
[other speaker] Therefore keeping the physical form of the people that have the right soul would be very very important. 
It is important. 
[other speaker] So how does a black man keep himself legitimate if he is treating those patients? By right thinking? 
I don't know how to answer that. I'm not being evasive, I don't know how to answer it. It isn't necessarily right thinking. Not being exposed. Everyone exposed won't get it. And yet it's intended to take out multitudes of people. If you get very close to a quote a cure, watch what the government does. I will guarantee you are not here other than just barely minute flip circus to this problem this way. It's really truly wiping out the world from the government. 
[other speaker] This morning on Good Morning America, they had a nurse came on and said that she was working in the garden kind of thing came to work got some blood on her and she received aids and they kept talking about how it could be transferred very easily and the nurses are afraid to say anything because they lose their job.
They just don't want to come forward and say they may be infected in any way. 
And what would you do? You know, what would you do? And how do you know that two-thirds of the ones sitting at this table are not infected? Maybe we'll never express it. It's devastating. 
[other speaker] What's the best way to monitor HIV? I say that everybody should be tested every year, everybody. And anybody, certainly people getting married, people having, ladies having babies. But I think everybody should be tested and also particularly people in the, have anything to do with people. Like doctors and health care workers and waitresses and cooks and so forth. 
Let's stop up here and think a minute. I'm in absolute agreement with you. That's number one. So let's not think I'm picking. But let's investigate this a minute. What would you accomplish? So you test Kathleen and she's positive. What would you do? 
[other speaker] Well, I would make sure she has proper counseling. 
[other speaker] I hope he gives me penicillin. 
If he doesn't, he'll stamp your feet up and down. And then finally right where you know to get you moving. 
[other speaker] I hope someone like Tom can put an electric chair and get those electrons going. 
Right, go through the whole thing. 
[other speaker] Well, I would make sure if she and I both knew how she'd get counseling and how not to infect others with what she has and how she can protect herself from getting other diseases, optimistic diseases. And I in turn would get counseling so I would make sure that I would help I would know I could help her do that plus I would not affect her with diseases I may be carrying like flu and various fungitis and so forth so each of us would have to get counseling and then if I knew she was HIV positive and hopefully she knew that she would be very careful where she would work. I mean that's a difficult question, but if we didn't test, I mean we wouldn't even have the beginning of knowing how to protect other people. That's why I say a waitress for instance or a cook in a restaurant should never be working in a restaurant or whether it's a cook or a waitress if they're HIV positive. And those people should be identified and counseled, etc. So in any case, it's the beginning. It certainly isn't a cure. 
Well, I'm going to... I love this one. I'm going to be the devil's advocate. Now, let's say Kathleen is not your wife and she's just married, who works in a restaurant, meat packing company, goes to work and the government says, your government says, equal rights, you must hire ones with AIDS, you may not fire them. You may not have testing and if they come in positive, you must hire them. Now am I off base didn't they just roll back. 
[other speaker] That's wrong. 
I agree with you that is wrong. 
[other speaker] So you know if everybody accepts it fine it'll happen. If everybody doesn't accept it, like you wouldn't buy any meat if you could help it from that that place with this meat packing places.
But how are you going to know?
[other speaker] Well, if you own a business and you had the meat from that factory and the people don't come to your restaurant because your meat is from there. 
[other speaker] You don't know where it comes from. The distribution line goes to the... 
[other speaker] Well, the word gets out after a while and already... Anyway, if the people suspected that, they wouldn't patronize that facility. They've done surveys where 45% of the people would not go to a doctor or a dentist that treats AIDS patients, 45%. 
[other speaker]But you're not going to find out about those ones until they're already sick. 
[other speaker] It only takes one to spread the word. And if the doctor or the dentist is infected, well over 50% of people will not go to them. So the point is, once the people find out, that's my point, that doctor or that restaurant what have you is going to have lots of problems with the uninfected people. 
[other speaker]What about rounding up the mass infected people? 
[other speaker] I think there are probably too many people for that. You start testing everybody and counting everybody because their definitions of the presence they say right now is about 171,000 people that are HIV positive in the United States. I was telling George if that's true, what's the problem? The nation is 250 million. What's wrong with that? That's not true at all. If they were already testing about 1% and they're not counting the people in the first stage or second stage of AIDS, they're only counting the people in the third stage and they're not even testing 30% of the people that have AIDS which is called AIDS dementia so the figures are very distorted actually if you multiply the numbers they tell you there are in the United States by 100 you probably have a more accurate estimate of how many people are HIV positive which is about 17 million right now that's a lot of people to throw in camps and what have you and that's just a guess anyway. 
Well here we go now I get to be a bigger devil. Let us bring it right home you believe in testing do you get tested?
[other speaker] Do I? 
Yes, alright, now obviously you either test positive or negative do you post it on your window? 
[other speaker] Well good question. The point is this. If it was for it's all or none. That's the problem. It's not all or none. Now they're saying just only the doctors and the nurses. Well, that's crazy. You got to test the patients to get to test the patients and you got to test the visitors. And then test the visitors. You got to test everybody else in the community and so forth. So it's all or none. If we want to have some handle on this stuff, I think we have to do the right thing and the right things for everybody no exceptions and until we have that we can't do anything like you say. How are you going to enforce it?
[other speaker] Well you're asking for solutions and I'm just one person out of many.
Because you were brave enough to speak up. So let's not put him on the spot anymore. So how would this be enforced? 
[other speaker] Well, you can't enforce it because then the government civil rights. 
[other speaker] It has to be martial law. 
[other speaker] It has to be voluntary. 
Well, I just did a writing a few days ago where at least two-thirds of the infected people do not even tell their spouses or partners. 
[other speaker] I think that's totally illegal. 
How are you going to enforce it? It's evil. It's evil. It should be illegal. It is against the law. How are you going to enforce it? [other speaker] Every time you pay your income tax. You have to. You have to. 
Well, you certainly have come to the right place. 
[other speaker] That's not our reality either. 
[other speaker] We'll try to get you. 
[other speaker] I don't know. 
[other speaker] Why have you been made for many reasons? That's another question. Political disease. 
Yes. It is the political disease. 
[other speaker] It's the only disease I know of in history to have civil rights. But just the other day as of January 1st or so, we, I'm an obstetrician, we're supposed to give all pregnant ladies in California Hepatitis B vaccine, or tests rather. And so everybody having a baby has to have syphilis by law, has to have human measles by law tests, and now they have hepatitis B and there was no one that I heard anywhere like discrimination, screens or human rights violated or civil rights violated but it's enforced and if we don't get it the test everyone's pulled on the docket well HIV is a political disease so they made it something more than that but I think we can go back to if everybody pitched in together and inform the people what it means to be HIV positive, I think that would be the first step in taking the right step. But already people are starting to demand more and more code for being taken and more and more people are saying everybody should be tested and somehow identified. For instance, if a child, one of our children, goes out with a member of the opposite sex, they should know if they're HIV positive or not. This is down the line. I'm not even talking about that now. But when a teenager goes out with another teenager how do they know if they are HIV positive or not? Right now they don't.
[other speaker] What do you do? Segregate all the HIV positive? Because it's a plague. You turn them over on this side of the planet and all the... 
[other speaker] Everybody should behave like they are all... Everybody on the planet should behave like they're all out there, everybody on the planet should behave like they've been exposed to this virus that will shape up their whole lives on the planet. 
[other speaker] It's just like when we talked to you when we were out this morning, you said that you went to a medical conference, and a guy walked in the back of the room, and nobody said anything, and he opened up something, he didn't know anything about it, and a man told everybody to blow their noses in the room. They all blew their noses, and there was a blue guy in the nose. What did you say was the most bacteriologically? 1962.
[other speaker] 1962?
[other speaker] That was when it was in the airport. 
[other speaker] Yeah. 
[other speaker] That was just an exercise in biological warfare and how deadly it is. And that was an example that the patrol that was lecturing to us used to kind of shake us up, which it did.
[other speaker] How many people were there in the room? 
[other speaker] About 250 to 500, 300 somewhere in there. 
[Oberli] Regardless of what we do, how many bright programs we have, how many brilliant thoughts we have, people who put this stuff here in the first place are well aware of all this. And the ones who want to feed it, start winning, they will simply go into a program that they've always had, to put one side against the other side, to defeat both sides, and then just watch you struggle with each other, unless there's some higher as Commander Craig puts it. We don't get into the light, we don't get into the spirit, we're spinning our wheels and heading over.
[other speaker]What's up? What was it there on the plate? 
[other speaker] I don't get it. 
[other speaker] It came through a different plate. 
[other speaker] Sin of the Lord.
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[other speaker] There is a cure out there, right? 
Don’t misunderstand, cure. There is an antidote and it is kept absolutely in the deepest, secret, locked places of your imagination within your government cartel. You will not have it. You will not have it. You will have to get something else. 
[other speaker] Can you say if it's pill or syringe or machine? 
No. I'm not going to talk about it anymore.
[other speaker] It's easier to go ahead. 
I wouldn't even expose you once. I'm reminding you, you are under surveillance. And what is said in here can be your death ticket.
[other speaker] Talking about getting the AIDS test there's been a lot of discussion in previous writings about contaminated needles being a source for additional spread of the virus. Do you want to talk about that?
I don't know what you want me to talk about. It's a major, major, major threat of the disease. And this is what's happening with the cholera. As they are treating ones, they're treating them with contaminated needles. In the IVs, cholera is a debilitating disease. It can be handled. Extremely debilitating dysentery type of disease and you must have hydration and that requires needles if you're going to do it properly. And you're practicing this in povertyvill for the kind of care is just worse than battlefield medicine. I want to tell you that everything, each thing can be turned around. I want to tell you that you can regain perfection because you can. With God all is possible. Is it probable? No. Are you making headway? Yes. A lot of headway? No, Does it matter? Yes. Does it really matter? No. Our purpose is to bring the Word. Only through knowledge and information can you turn anything about. And if you don't reach out there and stop the things that you can stop, you won't have an opportunity to even get beyond and into the cure of AIDS. It was presented as the very kind of disease that would lie dormant and compound itself and compound itself. So that you don't know until it's already rampant. And it will get very little play from your government. And it will get less once they have all of the strings on the government. So it always boils back down to information. Our mission, my mission, Hatonn’s mission is as a whole in the service of God of Light, to fulfill His last thought promise to Man on Earth. And let's see what man does with it. To bring truth of the light unto man so that man can make informed, knowing decisions. He will make his decisions, pro or con, matters not to me. That's his own selective individual right. Under God, there's a free will, participant and reflection, as thought of God, to do whichever he chooses. I have a secondary mission and that is to evacuate God's people. Not going to be a wonderful rapture up to the clouds just because you believe that somebody named Jesus did something. And you continue to live as if that's all there is. I can go and I can break every law that God and the Creation have put before me. All I have to do is just believe that Jesus Christ was and died for me and washed all my sins away. And I have to answer for nothing. Praise be Him. You will answer every individual will answer. And those efforting at producing and spreading God's Word will be lifted off this place. That is my promise. I can do it. I have the facilities to do it. And it's not going to put you on some fluffy little radioactive cloud to fall back down there, smash yourself. You must realize that you've got to come out of this mystical nonsense world. You are the thought of God, for goodness sakes. Live up to it. Except through the Christed path and that doesn't mean you have to be a Christian. Better maybe you're not. Be a Hindu. Be a Somalian. Kiki worship. Be a Greek Orthodox. You can even be a Roman Catholic. You're going to answer individually for that which you do. And most of the things that we're talking about now, the behaviors of man, do not even necessarily deviate from the laws of God but literally deviate from the laws of nature, which is Creation. And for the benefit of our guests, I'll do the whole story again about homosexuality. I care not that a man loves a man or a woman loves a woman. What they are struggling for is equal right to misbehave totally irresponsibly and calling it love which is a mockery of the word it says. Because you can have love and never touch that other person. And if you truly love a partner and you would bring harm to them, you would not touch them. And it would not mean that you love less, it means you love fully. This killing each other is not love. This hopping into the first bed available is not love. This is heinous breaking of the laws of nature and God. Can you do it? Of course you can do it. Will God forgive you if you do it? That is between you and Him. But it gets a little bit more touchy when you deliberately defy those laws. And I believe the last big poll said 9 out of 10 human beings do not believe in all of the Ten Commandments. Well I would say just from observing that that is, if it could be on the low side I would think it's still on the low side. When you can witness MTV that is fed to your children and that is the only subject, murder, mistreating, thievery, lying, cheating, adultery, fornication, you name it. That's what children are learning. Mom's saying don't lie to me it's really wrong and it's the same to tell a lie BS. You just lied to him. Why wouldn't he lie back to you? These behaviors are not all right and man wants to say God's doing it to me. God isn’t doing anything to you. 
{Oberli] Excuse me Commander.
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