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MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

THE VEIL

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[Oberli]Thank you. 
But you're trying to, all of you, fit into a world in which you feel you don't belong. That's because you've already experienced it. And yet you cannot function in this world, especially in this world with that full knowing. That sets you apart and you become valueless for the purpose at hand and for your own growth. You wouldn’t be back if you didn’t feel that there was growth yet to be had. You would be their speaker and there would be another reason. Honor yourselves. You're the higher light. You're the brighter fragments. Not unequal in fragmentation but higher in knowledge and you work under a different kind of load the veil is much heavier for you because you sense more acutely than you know and that's something very very difficult to deal with and believe me we spend hours at it in your lifetime. Part of your particular experience is to grow into that very understanding of patience in the beingness and in the knowingness. I've efforted to explain it in God's own experience. And you've agreed to carry that physical part of it. Because of the agreement also to the heaviness of the block of the remembering it's more emotionally hard on you because you don't have the privilege you see of just going mad. This is what one's really asked for, I don't mind this if I could just go mad. Let somebody else tend me for a while. It doesn't work that way, does it? Because you know that you're moving in sanity, out of insanity. So your own inner self tells you the whole story. And yet you're not allowed the whole perception. You know it. Inwardly you even know how it's going to be but you have given willingly that conscious physical knowledge of it but you get a lot of brownie points for that too. 
[Other speaker]I have a question. 
Please. 
[other speaker] I'm trying to let myself become really balanced you know in anticipation of all the upcoming shows and I try not to think about them you know. But do you have any suggestions how I can let go of my fear and my I don't know what it is just anxiety that I get every so often and what that comes from.
You will not be doing your audience a favor precious if you have no anticipation. That means that you do not care enough about yourself or your people to have that anxiety and caring that you do it properly. I want you to separate that from the fear. You are coming along a lot better and you will get to the point. You truly will get to the point where you will be comfortable with your subject you will probably never get to the point where it doesn't give you butterflies to get up. The truth of that comes when you finally get to the point where you trust God enough to know that you won't put your feet into it too badly. Sometimes the only way, Precious, is to relate to your audience is to make some errors. Man does not relate to perfection. Man hates perfection, it makes him feel lesser and that’s what makes you beautiful. You can be beautiful and still relate to them. The moment that you come on as this big authority you have lost them. [other speaker] When you wrote a beautiful message about inspiration about how one lets go of their conscious self and their ego self or whatever and then becomes the inspiration of God is that what we're George and I mean or whatever? Is that what I'm supposed to be trying to work for? 
Don't work for it that's the only difference don't try and don't work, let it flow. Each who goes forth to speak no matter who it is what it is and here I can put most of the channels that I recognize.
They become the authority. They are the ones. Always present yourself to the best that makes you comfortable but don't overdo it. Don't make yourself the center. At some point you see, you have to get over that to let God get through. It takes weeks and months and years. And in this instance, we're walking to our fourth year. That is nothing compared to most. But look where we've come. Look at the difference. Penny Torey is now Sarasvati, having been knighted or something. Clare Profit puts on her beautiful filmy robe in her little cathedral. In the beginning, Dharma would go into a cold sweat, for fear I wouldn't show up. Or somehow she thought she would say the wrong thing. I knew we were over it the day I wanted to say something and she stopped me and then within, all this was taking place within, and she said well, confound it, it’s your problem. I refuse to long take responsibility for what you say. And I knew we were over it. Up until that point, every time I wanted to say bullshit, she said no. And after two or three people threw it in her face, it was like dangling the bells. And yet she had to come to an understanding. She will speak for me or she's going to speak for herself or we're not going to play the game. We don't need any more gurus to spoil the truth. I don't need Dharma to go spoil the truth. And this is what happens. And this is why there have been so many and now have fallen by the wayside. And we can name them. I don't believe we have to. That's why I give you clues. I don’t want to say Rumpert this or Sarasvati that.  I give you clues you discern. What do they require of you? What do they want of you? What do they give to you? What kind of an experience is it? Is it a nice show for the weekend? And did they tell you it's alright to just go be. Or do they get on the stage and they say, well I am the high priestess of the Emerald Cross. Because I'm telling you there are not such categories. It is not that kind of hierarchy. And if you come forth saying I am the royal Ashtar you are full of it and I won't make her nervous by telling you what. And if someone calls up and says now there is a son, illegitimate as he may be, Vagan is the son and now crowned Prince of the Royal Ashtar? And if you send me $15 to a given address in Salt Lake City you can get a reading. Come off it brothers and sisters. You don't really think they give that to God do you? And how could they? Because that's physical. And they're usually Federal Reserve notes which are worthless in the first place. 
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That's why we've spent this amount of time getting ready to really move because we all have to come to a measure of understanding within that Light to know what we are headed for. And you cannot head for a focus if it is total chaos and you don't know what to focus on and yet there's not enough time in the universe as you recognize it for all the fragments to come together. So we have to outlay some needs to you ones upon which you can work that are a little different than on what the mass is. The mass is we're just trying to get their little eyelids open a little bit so they're not actively trying to kill you for whatever they perceive. But to meet their needs and expedite our business we can't even have what we call a group. Because we must not have the appearance of what they consider cultism. Fully ignorant of the fact that what they do every Sunday is a cult. A. C-U-L-T. A cult. Quite frankly, not even dealing with the occult. They haven’t the vaguest idea what the occult is. They have predicted and told you what's out there. And they do not separate it from the physical and there is no way that the physical and the mental will ever merge because the physical does not exist. So if they label anything according to the physical that's a demerit. After you have experienced ones for a while line up the merits and the demerits and your own reason will say there's something wrong here. And if there is not some justifiable error on the part of a speaker or a writer or fingers or something, you must discern by the concept.
Do they have their name scattered around on something? What name do they have scattered around on something? What benefit are they going to get other than the probable reward of abundance from God? And nobody can judge that except the being. But you can get a little bit suspicious, not necessarily of the speaker, but of at least the group surrounding the speaker, when you have a stable of racehorses call the night stables. That isn't even good, confounded business, according to God. It should have been a Nevada corporation with somebody else's name on it. And if that's the kind of information being given to you to get through a time of chaos, my brothers, it is wrong. And if they say, God would not be down here grumbling in the dirt with you, where are you? Because I'll tell you, I'm going to be right there where you are. And if it is in the gutter, I'm going to be there too trying to show you a way to get out of it and pushing like hell that’s spelled h-e-l-l.
[other speaker] Thank you. 
Use your clues, as beautiful as rituals can be just know that they are not it. Just as a tree may be of God does not mean God is a tree or the tree is God. It is an expression. Use the ritual for what they can do for your self in relationship to God. If it helps to have a crystal in your hand and every time you put it in your hand it says I'm related a little bit to God, preferably very quietly. It causes your mind to focus for that brief moment on God. There is nothing in the crystal. Hear me, there is nothing in the crystal except what you program into it. It has its own life and existence. It is birthed and grows to receive programming. Therefore you can do lots of damage by mishandling some of the rituals. Most of the rituals are pure BS. These are the things however that are judged only by the one participating. If it is wonderful to sit by a campfire wrapped in an Indian blanket and that makes you feel closer to God, do it. Not just because it feels good to sit by the fireplace and be warm in a toasty blanket that has the right colors on it. Know the difference. If an eagle feather in your hand makes you closer to your Source, then by all means hold it. But don't belittle it in its own existence and magnificence by laying your load off on it. Take responsibility. This is what is wrong with rituals. You dump your responsibility for attention on something else. They didn't come here to take your load.
If you've got to dump your load, dump it on me. I did come here to carry you, if you need carrying, not an eagle feather. 
[other speaker] Does the physical manifested experience become harsher for ones who choose who are capable of graduation but choose not to go the route of graduation because they remain in adversarial behavior? Does it become harsher when they reincarnate to them? 
It depends on the level of direction. What direction are they going at that given time. If they're getting more centered into Godness then they will be greatly encouraged. You see the point before the fall is to get total chaos and not be able to get out of it. It never happens that way but that's the way the thrust is. And then once it reverses it eases off again and it is much easier. I can use this as an example. Each one in this room, well I can't say that because some are still confused and some say well I didn't have that problem this time and you can't remember the last time. But most of you will find that if you had something that was very very important to you a thing a thing or clothes or a hair stylist or Elizabeth with her fingernails and eating, well I've not been able to get rid of either one. 
[other speaker] Don’t forget DNL.
One cop out after others is exactly what I said. At any rate, you believe to make yourselves important you must have all of these things. Well, as a matter of fact, I expect all of you to have to the best and extent that you desire because that is what God is abundance. That doesn't mean you go take it from someone else that's a no no.  But if you create this through your labors through your effort through your thoughts through your whatever, if you do not steal it, then for goodness sake you deserve to have it, don't throw it away. This is something that happens with the human being, you get very close and then when it comes, you're not ready and you push it away. And I know that what I said a moment ago you are all thinking, poor Alan here. No, I'm not thinking poor Alan here. You have other ones that have come into this group and gone. Because when it came right down to the acceptance of the reward for the service, they did not feel worthy enough to accept it. You still have to go to the thrift shop instead of to the clothing store. That doesn't mean that it's not wiser for some things to go to the thrift store. Know what you're doing and why you're doing it. Know where these things fit. Because anything of the physical will not go with you. So make sure you know your relationship with them. Enjoy them to the fullest while you are manifest. Have all you can get on your own. Have the most beautiful that you can afford on your own. But you better be willing to turn your back and walk away or give it all away or whatever is asked of you. Because God is unmerciful in that instant. What is the thing you would hate to give up the most? I'll do anything God I'm all yours except. Only you won't ever tell me the except but I know and that's what I'm going to dig at and dig at. Well you see as a matter of fact Liz would now give me her fingernails if I didn't cut them too short. But because I know she would do that I don't need them you see. So that's where you come into willingness. All you were given were your free will. The moment you are willing to return your free will, you're over the hump. Because I don't need it. But you have to be willing to part with it. And that's when the heart says, Thy will, Father. And that's when you get up off the altar. Because you've been postponing usually at that point your job. Soon as I can get up off this altar, Father, from giving you all my will, I'll get busy, surely as the world. Well the world isn't is it? And there's no illusion to me either. You just have to be willing in your very soul of souls to give it up. It doesn't mean that you will give it up without tears, without missing it, without grieving over it's loss.
It is that you cannot possess anything except self. And that is the highest spiritualness of self. You cannot possess your body. It's only loaned to you. Everything of the physical is only on loan to you. Be prepared to give it back. You see, what you don't understand and don't have the capability of seeing and yet is knowingness is that you don't really want it. It is so much better that what you're moving into but because you have established these senses you sense emptiness poverty withoutness if you lose these and that's the hurdle that's the purpose. That's the goal. And it's very hard sometimes to even discern what's going on in your own mind.
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Because most certainly you will tell yourself I can do without that. But at the heart level what is going on? Maybe if I say that I won't have to give it up or well I wonder if I really am willing to do that. You see you don't have to come to a mouth answer with that. That's where God discernment comes in. You don't fool God because you are that fragment and that would mean that God was fooling Himself. And that's a no-no for a God. You have to maintain your soap box. It's a magnificent play, isn't it? An incomprehensible play. It has to be broken into segments to absorb it and to get the full experience of it. And you have to know that all that the adversary can throw against you to terrify you will be thrown. That's when you have to cling to the knowingness. And it's also expected that you do everything in reason. So I'll prove my point, I'll go jump off a cliff, you're very well going to smash. Because that was a test. You're testing to see if you believe enough and to see if actually God will catch you. When if you really truly believe you would respect enough not to go jump off. You wouldn’t need to. Now between over here of the extreme and over here of the full knowing are all the experiences in the middle that are set up by and for the human experience. And if I did it for you it would be my experience literally and you wouldn't get any at all, there would be no purpose no point. So we have it set up here during this time of transitional change that we each play our own role. And I know you say, well yeah, but you have a real big advantage. Yes, I do. I was smart enough to stop where I did and you were dumb enough to go on but it doesn't make us any higher than the other, just a little bit different in expression. And I agree with George and Desiree, they're sitting there, how do you tell this to an audience? I don't know, quite frankly. You just tell it and they'll hit you, they'll throw rocks at you, they'll throw eggs at you and some will hear you. And that's all that's important. Even the ones who throw rocks at you, you have required to think. That's why they throw the rocks. Because worse than that they don't just laugh you off, if they are laughing when they call and they are giggling and they are saying you are just really crazy, you know they are absolutely terrified out of their mind. You are making sense or they would not have bothered to pick up that phone to denounce you. They want you to be wrong. But they know you're right. Some will simply be testing, but they will usually be gracious. If they haven't already made up their mind, then they're going to be rude. And then they're going to be those who throw the Bible at you. Well once again how can you argue on your arguing peas and bananas? So it means nothing. Don't get into an argument over the Bible. Don't get into an argument really over the laws of God. God sets laws for man as guidelines. The Creation set laws for all. And some things that they will want to tell you are God's laws and we voted it different. And God wouldn't this and God wouldn't that and the Bible it says if it is against the laws of nature it is wrong. Period. If it be the overpopulation of a planet getting a world out of balance it's incorrect in perception number one. Does that mean literally that sexual experience between man and woman and overpopulating is the wrong event? It is the irresponsible event. And if it breaks the laws of nature as to negative and positive in the pair, it's against the laws, the physics laws of the universe and therefore it is incorrect. Whether you go right ahead and be a homosexual and do it, isn't that the word, it, whatever it is, make love, oh I love it. You are experiencing an activity in the physicalness for whatever reason you are doing it. It is unbalanced in the pairs of the physics natural laws of the Creation and therefore I don't care who likes it one way or another it is incorrect. And there is no point in arguing on the basis of a Bible or a book or whether the Phoenix Journals are right or wrong or indifferent. Does that mean God loves a homosexual less? No. It could well mean that God has a very special place for that one who uses responsibility in his behavior in spite of his urges. Because that comes nearer to the maturity of responsible behavior that we're seeking. You're just in a backwash of life. You're into your third 
full generation of being fed the poison. Unless basic concepts return, it's over. You cannot put the kind of trash onto the mental training boxes and not have each group, societal group, each generation, societally, will deteriorate. You can see it in the babies. You can see it in the little children. And yet they are being birthed bright brilliant and the bombardment gets heavier to pull them down, to stop them. So it is the time of total confrontation. How long have we been here in your time? 
[Oberli] It is 4.30 and we've been here 3 hours.
I promised I would not keep her so very long without a break. Could we have a break and then you decide if you want more. 
[Oberli] Alright. 
Or if we can just. 
[Oberli] Before we break may we ask if Alan has any more questions for now. 
[Alan] For now no. 
[Oberli] Okay. 
I'll just step aside. 
[Oberli] Okay. 
So please all go on. It's getting late. 
[Oberli] Uh-huh. 
You know I'm doing this for your own good. It hurts me a lot worse than you. And the check is in the mail. And I'm going to go to standby. You can summon me if you wish more. Salu
[group speakers] Salu salu salu
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