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MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

SEPARATENESS OR ONENESS

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This is tape number two, May 27, 1991. Thank you for the pause. 
You want to know how you can know you were there? Are you curious? [group] Yes. 
I was there. I Hatonn was there. And I Hatonn get to be kingpin of this experience. Well what about planet dodoville over there in that universe? I don't care about dodoville over in that universe. This is my sphere. And because I was there, you were there. Absolutely, unequivocally, you were there. Now what happens at times like that?
When man's fragments get to the point of being able to annihilate another of the creation? You don't hold that much power, I can suck you back or I can uncreate you. Now I would like to not do that. But before you as little fragments destroy the whole of it, do you see that you will be the one done away with? Now does that mean I go about murdering you? No, because you are me and I wouldn't do that. That's called suicide. But I can certainly unthink you, which equivalents to the same thing. You cease to exist. 
[other speaker] That’s separateness?
It's either separateness or it’s oneness. And in the event and she just said something extremely important in the event that it is misbehavior damaging to other fragments. Let us say you have this forefinger. And it's contaminated with gangrene. Before I will sacrifice the other four fingers on that hand, the one with gangrene is going to go. Because it has ceased being perfection or working toward perfection.
It is busily moving into death and chaos.
[other speaker] Is that a risk for a time? 
Depends on what he's doing. Don't worry about him. He's got enough to worry about. So do you. Louis just got something started the rest of you picked it up and carry it for him. 
[other speaker] I have a question about your saying that you were here at Atlantis and not in DOW, but you were there too, right?
But that's not your problem. 
[other speaker] Okay. Oh, I know. But I'm just saying that it seemed like you were focusing here and not there, or you didn't care about that. Because what you care about is what we care about because that's what our experience is. 
Well, let me tell you that anywhere in the universe that comes to visit your place and speaks of God or Hatonn, I'm going to have been tangled up in it. Now what happens to God? What happens to one nice one, Christos, who becomes God? Is that all there is? 
[other speaker] He gets His own planetary surface I would think. Well, there's some things that work out about that way. It's that no one in the human form is able to pierce that veil completely because once the veil is pierced you're elsewhere. Once you are in the knowing you are elsewhere and that's the hardest thing for man to understand. The becoming ceasing the ceasing that small period of cessation and yet if you have made that cycle and back into that point of cessation, you are going to be able then to create whatever you want during the next cycle. 
[other speaker] So are you saying that there's other people, not people, there's other light spread out like you on other solar systems responsible for that solar system? 
Absolutely and that's for enough not to try to pin it down. It gets completely out of proportion to anything you can comprehend. 
[other speaker] It makes sense to me. 
Energy by the billions float about the Universe. One's focus in experience will be much as Michael's or the one we now call Sananda.
It's still interchangeable with The Christ. I don't like that term Christ anymore for this energy, this specific energy because there are other Christed beings but the one that you call Christ no matter what you labeled it was the same one. However it experienced it was the same energy form and once again if you try too hard to break it down and understand each fragment you can't do it because it doesn't exist and therefore in the describing comes the errors and the misperceptions because the facts are it isn't. And I could say it a zillion times I could describe it a million times and you either know it or you don't.
[other speaker]  So is it safe for me to say that all of the illusions that this is what it looks like to me. 
Yeah, that's pretty good and sometimes if you can avoid the word illusion but there gets to be a limit beyond which you can't avoid anymore. And I'm talking about a void you can't sidestep it and then you'll get every physical reason there is and sure enough there's the body to prove their point. It isn't easy to go out there and be the speaker. It isn't easy. And you're going to make errors. That's why you can cop out. Always cop out. Be wise as a serpent. I said well I don't really understand that myself but I know it. How do you know it? Knowing just is. And I'm happy to share how I came to my own conclusion but you'll have to come to your own because it is the knowing that is important. And that is life. And all amounts of reason and thinking about it won't do it. There comes a point of knowing. And that's why you can say, well, I think maybe I could make this room vanish, well, I won’t do it but I think I could. No, because if you knew you could I know man well enough to know you would make it vanish just to give it a try. So you won't know which it is whether you know and are responsible enough not to even mention it and just remain in the adult maturity of knowledge or whatever you choose or however how you choose to handle it. Every now and then you're going to get a vision that will pass and you will afterwards
know you made a decision and you honored an agreement. There was an incident sitting in a courtroom where Dharma knew she could evaporate Horn. I literally waited to see what she would do. There is a point where you know and it's what you do with it that is important. There have been several times if the man were not so useful to us and such a precious entity to us I would evaporate him. But this is the most wondrous gift you've been given, do you see? He keeps this thing going into infinity and he doesn't even know what hit him. But all of you get the benefit of the lesson, including him. Love the man, appreciate the man for what he gives to you.
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And he gives it so willingly. He has lost just about everything there is in the line of conscience. Except that it's eating him away. He hates himself. And that's the damage. That's the damage. Because he knows there but for the grace of God walk I. He could as easily be on the other side of the table. And when you get the Constitution back into authority, there won't be places for ones like that and he knows it. I would hear whatever anyone else would like to visit about.
[other speaker] Does Maranatha's technique of breathing, this heavy breathing, to get people to experience relief or the use of the term one bath nothing materially and all things potentially, does that have validity or is that just a distraction? 
It depends on how it hits an individual. To me it represents total distraction. All of the performances are total distraction. Can you imagine how disappointed ones like Dharma are or Drew or what you sit down and you clear your space and... or maybe you don't even have your space cleared and we're there. Well what in the world is poor Daryl Anker going to do without all that huffing and puffing and performance? And what is each energy going to do to get your attention? Because there are two very simple things one a mechanical body the other is you and I'm sorry I hate to burst bubbles I don't care what you do with rocks you can sit on them eat them whatever makes you feel good about them. If you eat too many of them, they're going to give you indigestion, which is going to preoccupy your mind, and you may not function well. I don't care if you eat meat or do not eat meat. I do care about what’s going on in that mental spirit when you take that animal's life. Because once again you are dealing with illusion. So all the heavy breathing is going to do a thing. There isn't such a thing. You get the perception of moving things around faster or bigger. From where I sit, it looks ridiculous. There's only one way to become one with creation and God. And that is through the energy passage of light. Wind is nothing but light and yet it's it's more easily accepted even than light because you can feel it on your senses. That is simply a physical manifestation and anything of the physical is separate. That is an illusion. That does not mean that many of the teachings are not valid, they are. Anything that deals with the truth of God and creation which is yourself and all that you are is valid. But so many of these quote channels will get you into nothing but trouble. They are not serving the light even if they think they are. And they are still attaching your physicalness to the physicalness. And they'll put you right in the path of disaster. That is for you to come into this discernment. 
[other speaker] I would like to ask a question. 
Please. 
[other speaker] In the recent years I have experienced and participated in changes of energy through whole light being and I would like to have your input as to the whole light being. I feel it is a good positive transmission. 
I have to hear more than that from you. 
[other speaker] Alright.
What are they? What do you mean? 
[other speaker] The whole light being that I experienced was the form of energy what I saw was basically an outline of white light and a transmission for a color and saw it. Was not as I could express a circular but it came through as colors and like laser energy. 
Did it just happen upon you or at what were you doing at the moment? [other speaker] It was in group experience. The first time was with a study group with Randall Baer in Los Alamos, New Mexico. And there was a lot of energy that was being exchanged in the room it did not feel down. I asked for a balance to be sound be made in the room, that was my first experience. There were other experiences in a larger meeting. We were wearing a bear, brought food and everything. And all in the audience experiences. There were several occasions that happened. 
I'm trying to figure out how to work this so that you really, really clearly understand. There was no one in the room who could produce it. This is where one takes responsibility. If it was there, it was valid. And you created it. And you are going to come into your recognition of the power that you have. There is no one, I don't care how good Dharma ever gets. She might be able to describe something and then each of you recognize that you have seen it. But you are creating it and when you create energy forms, you are really creating because you are then putting into it the power. And I don't care what else is in the room. I don't care what you're wearing, what you're holding, what you're doing. You have created it. That’s your creative ability and that borders on manifestation into a physical form. In the physicalness, what will happen is you will not point to this table and say, well, I want a diamond ring. There are some on your place that can do that and it be there. But you ones have forgotten that you can do it. So what you're dealing with is not necessarily your ability, you're ones in this room, because you don't count anymore. Understand that. You have accepted a mission. Granted, all you can do in your opinion is go and produce your experience to other people. Your purpose is to do it in truth. Now you can accept that you can get a diamond ring but what does, what is the sequence? You put it into your subconscious mind, I want this diamond ring and you build that as a goal. Your mind goes to work directing you. What do you need? Well, I'm first of all going to have to get some money so I can go buy that ring. I'm going to have to find it, probably easier to get the money and buy it. Because I don't trust myself enough to make sure that I find it. Because I can't touch that. So you will find the physical way to achieve that goal. But when the mind says I am powerful enough to produce what it is being instructed to produce is creativity. You are creating. And if we settle this room and we did some things so that you could focus your energy you could do anything. It is that man does not perceive he can do it so he doesn't and the ones who know they can do it either pass themselves as great gurus or magicians. And you can accept that. Because you are limited by the physical constraints you put on self at creation. You put them there so that you can grow and experience and come back up through them into your ability to create. The only problem that you have now is in the sequence.
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See you can to right back to the cave or you can go to the heaven. It gets to be your choice. These are the choices that you have to work with now. Because you have gotten to the point where you have stuffed down the memories until you almost reach the crescendo of the wave of total chaos, of total forgetting your ability as creator. You will have fragments, flashes of insight. And what does that do? It causes you to want to grasp it again doesn't it? Because you know somewhere innately you know you have that power. That’s why it is so sad to ever give it away. Don’t give it to Dharma. Don’t give it to Oberli.
Don’t give it to George. Hold it, that's your Godness. And you don't have to give it to God. But it sure is nice if you offer it. That says, Thy will. That’s recognition of the Source which is the very beingness of you that's what you're going back to and you will have these flashes of insight of knowingness. Hold them, hold them, know them, because you will begin to reproduce them. And when it becomes the reality and the knowingness in your mind, you will have won the cycle. The ones who gather, for lack of any better word in this circle, many are not here. Some will pull away and go their way, join other things, still searching because they haven't yet found. Some will have found and deliberately pulled themselves away as punishment because they will not have understood. And their perception is that no matter what they do they must just be and that means everyone else will allow them to be anyway they happen to want to be. It doesn't work that way. They can be that way but they will usually not enjoy staying in the group with this kind of discipline. And yes, I said discipline. We're not a little cross-legged group sitting around a lotus waiting to bloom. We have got to spread the word so that man knows how to bloom. You already have done it. Every one of you have already done it. It is a time of rising out of that ego you-ness, me-ness. And yet you can only do it through your own experience. How can you ask a question about self if you don't use the term I? And yet I'm telling you to move out of the I-ness, the me-ness. You can only relate to that what you experience. So don't hit yourself over the head with it. There is no other way to learn than both to experience, dare to experience again and ask if you don't understand. And most of you only ask, I will tell you for your own comfort as well as because I don't want you to think you fooled me. You want to ask for your confirmation. She knew exactly what she did. And yet there is the inability to completely break away wondering whether or not someone else projected it and she picked it up. And if that happened it still doesn't matter, do you see? The energy form was manifest. And it needs to be, apparently for the physical being, some type of manifestation that you can touch, smell, hear, see. It has to be that way for the physical. Because the knowingness comes with the totally non-physical and it's the hardest to accept and the simplest in content, not complicated, least complicated thing in your entire universe but because it's in the universe and separate from what you perceive, it's elusive to you. Anybody else had any good dreams lately? bad dreams?
[other speaker] I wonder if I might make a comment? 
Yes. 
[other speaker] And to thank you for allowing me to be here. To ask your forgiveness of my denial, especially in a particular situation. You only need to forgive Seth. 
[other speaker] I have, I think. And following through with what you've just said, I am obviously starting a new phase of my life. I wonder, is there a part of me that needs some guidance or some vision? Is it appropriate to ask for that? 
Of course. Of course. And it's perfectly appropriate to share. But only you will understand the meaning. If you don't ask, I can't answer. Another one of those rules. 
[other speaker] And I am asking. 
And I am accepting. Did everybody in here hear it? He didn't put without prejudice or anything. So it has to go by my rules. Let’s have some fun. It's a dreary journey in many ways, extremely exciting journey in almost every other way. And it's the glory of the cycle to share. So let's have fun.
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And the way that we have enjoyed much is to stop beating ourselves, punishing ourselves for something that most often is only a very small lesson to come into understanding. And I don't hold grudges. I don't have to, you just find agreement without prejudice. Against me or for me. Everybody steps out for his self, which is that light, that fragment. And then it always becomes very evident I did fragment and it always becomes very evident and it doesn't matter who I might be because once you began to understand who you are is when the knowing begins to flow. When the recognition is there and there is no doubt, as to who you are and who I am and that connection is made. It won't ever be undone. It may be denied. It won't ever be undone. Never been undone, has it, Alan? 
[other speaker] I think not. I can reach that feeling at times.
Yes. Maybe if we all get a noodle and hit Alan. No, we do something else. We're just going to smother him in love. You know the biggest threat you can give a grandkid, especially as he reaches 13 years old, is just to have grandmother say, I'm going to kiss you. We're all having to learn to be gentle. We’re all having to learn to be  kind because all come from the many fragments of experience and all seeking, all searching even after you find the direction you continue to seek and search that's the only way to get there. And you only learn by the errors actually. If everything were perfectly accomplished, there would be no point in experience whatsoever. So bless those errors. Try to prevent yourself from repeating them no matter what they are. Recognize the things you cannot change that are not in your ability and that is everything else. You can't help what your parents did, you can't help what Oscar Wilde did. Even if you were him, you can't help it. It's gone and done. It is like the opposites. You're in the now. You are in the void of time. At this moment, what will we do with what we perceive may come? Because we can't really do anything about what's been. We can sometimes pick up fragments and make them better. But you can't change what's happened. You can alter it in the now a little bit so that maybe it's better in your perceived future. But it is like God. If you remove the G and the D, you have the infinite circle. You're in it. That's all there is. And all that is in it is life and you are working because no matter from whence you come on this circle you're working to get in to it or working to get out of it. So be gentle with self. Be kind with self. If you remove the concept of I must because of the future. If you handle things properly in the moment, the future will take care of itself or you won't get there. Either one. And when you get there you'll only find it's now. The future will always be out there the opposite of the past. No matter where you go on this whole cycle, it will always be there until it is voided out and then there is no past and there is no future and there is no now. So in that sense there is beginning and there is ending but it's only a sensed brief fragment which is never realized. It is not neutralized. It is a perfection of itself in total balance. And always, the human and the Creation itself, if it comes to perfection of balance it will work its little fanny off to get unbalanced and when it gets too unbalanced you will have magnificent storms, earthquakes, you'll topple your planet upside down, an Atlantis that moves when it gets completely totally chaotic and out of control. It will be brought back into order by the creative God. And then you have cataclysm and you have that brief moment of voiding it out and then starting the other half of the cycle. Now you have to realize that most of you have come to serve at a time of crescendo of the wave. The total chaos of a society or civilization having done great damage to that upon which they have experienced and it's time to move on to other things. Doesn't matter whether you've contributed to the circumstances or not in your consciousness because consciousness always is, it is the part of you that is God, quite frankly. Great misunderstanding about conscious, subconscious, unconscious, no conscious. In sleep they will tell you unconscious, no. In anesthesia they will tell you are unconscious, no. If you anesthetize your fingernail is it unconscious, no. It just doesn't have any sensibility to pain or to touch. You’ve interfered with its nervous system it’s flow of energy, it’s cyclical flow of energy. You've forgotten, you’ve just forgotten how to control all of these things. But there would be no point. There would not be this experience. I will go farther. There would not be this experience. If in fact you remembered it all. As I repeat, you would not be here. So when you make a commitment to serve again as a teacher or a leader or a participant in a given play, which you have already experienced, but obviously have grown on, higher than the math is about you, then you have to realize your experience is different and you have to begin to act accordingly and in these instances it means standing forth.
[Oberli] Excuse me, please.
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