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12-4-23
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

HATONN ENJOYS THE INTERACTION IN THIS MEETING

[This is a continuation of 881213-3b conversation.]
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other God or source that God might understand. Your friend, Jesus. And was willing to make this sacrifice. This man was developed enough. He could have simply dissolved and removed himself to the other dimension. He did it often, even while He walked the place as man. There are ones on your place now who have the same talent. [Larry] What's this again? 
There are ones, men on your place who literally can, what would you call it, atomize, dissolve, it appears to be magic, become invisible to disintegration and the reassembling. There are men that can do it. There are men that can levitate. The Christ was of another dimension, but he was experiencing as man. And he could very well have just flipped off that cross in bodily form in front of everybody but it would not have made the impact.
[other speaker] That's right you would not have had the blood sacrifice conveyed completed. 
So it was a beginning and an end of a physical existence. Today they might put him on an electric chair. It was then the worst kind of pain and misery to be crucified. 
[Larry] But the point was that it was not just to kill him, it was to sacrifice him. That was God's choice. 
Was God's sacrifice and man killed? 
[Larry] That's right. God had to ensure that his son was a sacrifice. Because that was his criteria now we now we get in the question of why. You know why those are things we'll have to wait and find out. I'm gonna have to excuse myself again. 
[group undecipherable]
And as we're just put her in bed, her tongue has taken over. I really enjoy this. These are subjects that all of you want questioned. Over and over and over, coming into some integration of what you've been taught and read and feel is true. There's no discrepancy in the written word that is truth in that book and inspired by the holy deity and what's in your heart. But most men do not think carefully and so they accept everything as I believe you call it the gospel truth and some will even go and build their own Bible. 
[other speaker] Were you privy to pain and anxiety a couple of years ago trying to heal at the same time? So it was a dream? 
Well, I could look back there and I could see. 
[other speaker] Well, I went through some hell. 
All of you have. There's not one of you. 
[other speaker] You killed me in so many aspects of my life. 
Well, every now and then you still get a twinge like you might get sapped with electricity. 
[other speaker] I really went through it. 
A faithful father. The Father is just always. 
[other speaker] Oh, I can see that. 
And if it requires discipline, you're going to get it. 
[other speaker] Yeah. 
And why is there good and bad? Because it brings balance, how would you know the good if you did not have something to measure it against?
[other speaker] I've often thought that's why the Lord let the Satans endure. 
Yes. The rebel ray of the Father is still the son of the Father. That does not mean you have to do and emulate those negative aspects. Because those too are aspects of your own energy. And that is the battle of the universe. Which aspect of your own beingness will win? Will it be corruption, greed, murder? If you believe in those things, you won't even perceive them as bad. I perceive them as evil. I don't judge good or bad. But unless you take the route of the Christ, you will not go home to Father God. You will be put somewhere else until you learn the way. And that is through the Christ energy, not the rebel ray, that you would call of the devil element. Most monsters and boogeymen, man dreams up himself. But you will have ones telling you there is no light and no dark as such. That is a lie. There is a dark brotherhood. And if you want to consider the rebel ray called devil, go ahead and do it. 
[Larry] Well, that's the dark brotherhood or the demons of the devil. That's the way I... 
And they possess. When you talk about demon possession, believe it. [Larry] That's right. It's true. Absolutely. You don't want to invoke them unless you want trouble. That's right. But there's one point to bring up and that is Christ is all-powerful. When the demons are around you, bring up the name of Christ. It may not happen all at once, but you read the Bible and whenever the demons... the demons knew who Christ was and whenever he was around they were ready to depart or get out of there. 
The Christ stands at the door of this group and he stands strong. And that's why you are the group. Without all the fiddling nonsense of big show, you believe in the Christ and the God. 
[Larry] That's right. 
And you don't have to be in a church building, you want to be with your brothers for the social interaction of ones who believe as you do. That's camaraderie that keeps you thoughtful. But it does not make the difference. 
[Larry] That's the congregation. No matter where you are, you don't have to be in a church to be a congregation, to be a body of believers. Am I making sense? 
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Yes, sir. And many ones are lost to the church club. They go for the... for the being seen or for the social activities. These are fine. It's just not going to get them back to God unless they go by the route of the Christ. 
[Larry] This fellow John MacArthur, who I like to hear on the radio in the mornings, he's finally written a book on the subject, The Bible According to Jesus. 
How interesting. 
[Larry] Beautiful. 
How different.
[Larry] Beautiful book. But the most interesting concept is, he's the one that made it apparent to me that there are many people in churches, and they're serious in the churches in the sense that they attend and they like their brothers and sisters in the church. But they went through the process of simply accepting the fact that they were Christians. Why did he even then baptize? I don't know. Whatever that process was. See, baptism is not an essential... It's a nice thing to do because it commemorates the aspect of... the aspect of Christ being killed and going into the earth and rising again. 
Yes, and the cleansing.
[Larry] But it is not necessary, at least in my understanding, to make you a Christian. But it's a wonderful thing to do to confirm it, let's put it that way. But the point is that with... Excuse me, I lost my point. 
You were talking about congregations and being a Christian. 
[Larry] Yes, thank you, as a result of this book, thank you. And that is that many who think they are, are simply the sit-in-the-pew types, and maybe they claim Christ as Savior, but they never really got into it and the manifestations of the Holy Spirit within were never evident. And MacArthur says, those dear people are not Christians. And they're going to find it very difficult as time goes on.
[other speaker] They're fence sitters. That's right. 
But that doesn't mean you have to be singing in the choir or you have to be an elder or anything like that, it means you have to have within the realization that Christ is now within me and I have responsibilities from the point of view of how I conduct myself, how I think, all the things you're talking about, how I think and believe. This book is kind of, the thing that shakes me up is that there are apparently a lot of modern pastors who say that this is not necessary of all things. 
[other speaker] Yeah, I believe you're right there. 
[Larry] What's that, dear? 
[other speaker] I think you're right there. There's a lot of the modern pastors that don't. They don't... 
[other speaker] They try to hold on to the congregation, but they're not thinking correctly. 
[Larry] That's right.  They're trying to be entertaining as it were rather than instructive. 
[other speaker] I told John during the war, we were going to a church party one night, my sister, and I together.  
[other speaker] You're closing in? 
[other speaker] I was just thinking I can't hear you. 
[other speaker] That's right. 
[other speaker] Anyway, we went to a church party one night and my husband and my sister's husband were both in the service. And I hadn't taken anything in my purse, thought anything about it, except I left everything out and a little money in case we needed it going home. And what did I leave in there? Sugar stamps, so canning sugar stamps. And you know, most of those disappeared at this church party. And I thought, well now that's something. 
[Larry] Amen. 
[other speaker] Rationing stamps. Rationing stamps. Canning, rationing stamps.
[other speaker] Sugar stamps. You know, when you go to a church party and someone... 
[other speaker] Somebody stole my stamps. 
[Larry] Lord, I want you to put your finger on that fellow. 
[other speaker] No, I just thought that is just the limit. 
[Larry] I agree. No. We have some funny things. I may be diverting a little bit, but we had a church, my church broke up, practically split up about a year, no, a year and a half ago and that's a very sad thing. And it was on such, you might say murmurings rather than realities. And happily it's all been, we've got a new pastor and he's a very wonderful, loving, very solid, fundamental Christian. But I'll tell you, they had so many old timers leave, they finally elected me as an elder. And did I learn, oh my goodness, anyhow, I've also learned that fractures in churches, Christian churches are very prevalent. It happens almost once to every church, sometimes, which amazed me.
[other speaker] Could they learn without a lesson? 
[Larry] Could they do what sir? 
[other speaker] Could they learn without a lesson? 
[Larry] That's a good point. That's a very good point. 
[other speaker] No one gives them the lesson, but they can learn. [Larry] Well, it's that old business of what we all know, this old business of suffering and trials. This dear lady that's coming to visit me at Christmas made the comment in a recent letter about her dear husband. They were very close to one another, obviously, and he went through a cancer period where she was with him during a slow cancer death. Must be excruciating, but by the same token, you can't say that there isn't a little preparation for the final tragedy. But she made the statement, now she's a Catholic, and I don't know how much depth in Bible study she really has, because I understand there's some limitations that the Catholics have in that regard. But she was saying, you know, I really wondered why he had to have cancer and all this kind of thing, made me realize that the tragedies that occur in our lives where we lose dear people are part of the Lord's plan for them and for us. 
Yes, absolutely.
[Larry] Absolutely. And it’s not something as you commented here earlier, God's plan for us is His plan and nobody said life is fair. But we have to remember that in the long run that plan is the best thing that can ever happen for us and for many of us for reasons we may never know on this earth. We may have to wait until we get to heaven to find out. But in the case of her husband, I'm sure she can see and so can I. If he's been suffering from cancer that long, isn't it rather a happier thing to think of him being free of all that, to be in heaven instead of suffering on earth like that? That's the way I feel about my dear wife who fell to the ground and would have been a vegetable if she had come through. anyhow that's... 
There's more than that.
[Larry] Yes.
Man has fallen into thinking of death as final terrifying... 
[Larry] Absolutely. 
And you grieve because of yourself. 
[Larry] Absolutely. 
If you are quote a Christian and I mean it in its fullest sense that is glory.
[Larry] That’s absolutely right.
That is a passing into glory and it beats anything you've got going here.
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[Larry] And we have to remember that in God's sight our time on earth or the life of the earth really is a snap of the fingers compared to eternity. 
[other speaker] True. Those are the things we have to remember. 
[Larry] And with that in mind, you know, we live the best life we can, we live the life He gave us, those are the things that He will permit us to do. We know that we're sinners unconsciously, that's the way it is, that's the game. But from the point of view of what she just said, it's to be a child of God, that's the glory. 
And the learning. This is a learning school. 
[Larry] Absolutely. 
To go on in your growth through the higher dimensions of the heavens. [Larry] Absolutely. 
[other speaker] We have got to go home you guys.
I only want one more thing before you go and I want to refer back to human versus being mentioned. I don't remember just what you said but the inference being that the Bible does not speak of other man and other places. You have to recall that this was written for man of this place. I only have one suggestion that you think about and we won't even talk about it because I always like the last word. I want you to think in your mind about Ezekiel's wheel, the burning bush, and the pillar by day, where whatever it was, the cloud by day, the pillar by night, and where do you think they came from? 
[other speaker] Black Saucers. Salu.
Hallelujah brother. Salu. 
[other speaker] Star of Bethlehem. 
[other speaker]Overseers of our lives. 
All we have to do brothers is just be open. God will give you what you need. In insight, in knowledge, compassion and comfort there is unlimited without any strings attached. His love for you. 
[John] One of the things I would express it this way, you've heard it often, without the protection of our Lord, we Christians would find this a very unhappy place. 
Yes.
[other speaker] John, that one there. Over the bridge. That's the one with the road. 
Oberli, perhaps you would like to get some pizza or something.
[Oberli] Alright, we'll talk about it. 
And then they would not need to go. I'm going to go. We're going to go. 
[other speaker] It's been a long day honey. Thank you. Salu 
Well I'm not going to make her cook. 
[other speaker] I know you're not. She's going to go to bed. 
[other speaker] Is she going to eat something? 
She's going to try to talk and not have any voice. 
[other speaker] I love you both. 
Thankyou.
[other speaker] Thank you for your explanations.
[other speaker] And we shall see you soon. 
It is so delightful to see my family coming. So little precious ones. [other speaker] Do you believe in Christian healing? 
Yes. Of course she does. 
[other speaker] Have you had some of these experiences of Christian healing? 
[other speaker] Well, John has worked on it. 
[John] I used to do a lot of that. 
[[other speaker] John has done a lot of that but he can't do it with his own wife.
[John] Well we know it's the Lord's will and not ours. May I pray for you now? 
[other speaker] Yes. 
[other speaker] All right, I'm going to hold you. Dear precious Lord, we ask that you come and if you will place your healing hands on this dear lady and that you will heal her from her arthritic condition. We ask this in the name of your precious son, Jesus, and by the power of his blood on the cross, Lord. We ask this in your holy name. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Aho 
[other speaker] Thank you, God. 
So be it. As we say again, 
[John] It's only as God wills.
[Larry] That's right. We don't say that this is going to happen. We say if He wants it, that's the way it will be. 
[other speaker] Thank you for doing that. 
[other speaker] I'll let you carry that now. I'm glad that we can think of it. 
[Larry] I have this privilege as an elder here. Change chapter 5. Well every now and then I put things like that. I'm an elder too.
[Group good byes]Good to see you. Good to see you. We'll be in contact. Alright, you betcha. So nice to see you. We've got a lot of work to do. Are you the one who does it? I'm the one who does it. It's been very nice meeting you. Hope to see you again soon. Hope I didn't... Good night. Good night. Salute. Salute. Don't forget to turn the light off.
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