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12-2-23
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

“BADGER OF THE UNIVERSE” GIVES SOME HARD LESSONS

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[Oberli] This is November 30th, 1988, Wednesday. Greetings, Commander. 
Good night. I call in light. 
[Oberli] Thank you. 
Somebody give me a perception of the discussion. 
[Oberli] It appears to me she wanted some discussion of the Panama matter. 
You want them? 
[Oberli] I was satisfied with what we had.
What do you have? 
[Oberli] I have the following, I would call John McConnell tell him that we have previously submitted those packages to others before Randall sent onto him. And they have both in all cases been approved. Which gives us 3 different approvals. Two of which the conditions and terms are lesser attractive than his, one of which is better. In addition to that, we have one of them who is committed to a $3 million advance against those fundings, and that's very useful to us because it would accelerate the process. Those 506Ds take a long time. Then I would say to Mr. McConnell, if we wind up doing 8506D with Panama, and which results in the funding and we have already say by you know two months in advance of that we have already achieved funding with another funder what do we do now John? And that's our dilemma as far as going to Panama is concerned we don't want to cut off that source of funding, on the other hand it is not the most advantageous nor the speediest source. And there's been no, no, we've not requested it. We presume there's no availability of advanced funding to accelerate the project. And I guess at that point I would leave it to him. His question is going to be, well are you going to Panama or not? 
That's what his question was. 
[Oberli] That's right. Now what would you have done if I had not prodded her to have a fit? I would have said, John, I can't give you an answer today. I'm supposed to get some information tomorrow that will make it a lot easier for me to say yes or no. 
I'd like some discussion about this. Please, I want input from all of you. 
[other speaker] And his perception has not been perfectly reasonable? It is now. I'm going to ask some hard questions. We have a lot of things to do. I'm really very pressured also, I’m really putting the screws to this one. I suppose it would cross your mind, why am I bothering to answer three or four legal pages of perception questions to Wally Gentleman. So I’m clear right now. If Wally Gentleman cannot put onto that screen what man needs, we need not even put stuff there. And unless he can come to agreement within his soul and get some blunt, realistic responses, it will come forth as confusion with the mis-teachings that have been brought forth before. I'm going to remind you ones there are two portions to yourself. Your God self which is your soul and your body. And somehow the soul feels it must mistreat the body in able to clear its way to clarity and God. It's all bullshit and you put yourself through these ridiculous bits of nonsense and if you want to do that and it makes you feel good, do it. Do you think God does not know how to cleanse your body? Is it good for instance? Do you really think that maple syrup and lemon juice is a balanced diet? If you do, you better study a little bit harder. If you do it for the proper reasons, and that is you want to exert discipline over yourself, it's called self-discipline, and you wish to lose weight, do it, but do it by God for the right reasons. Don't tell me it's going to take toxins out of your muscles. If it removes toxins from your muscles, it is because your mind believes it will remove toxins from your muscles, and you could do it, brother, without that mess of stuff. And if I come across as severe and angry this morning, I guess I am a little bit. I still watch my own crew wallow around in fantasy. You don't have to sit a certain way, you don't have to eat a certain way. And I've got to have your minds. And you distract your minds with every confounded bit of nonsense you can find. I don't mean to be offensive. Dharma has a pounding headache that she created to avoid this. I'm not going to let her. Oberli has a bad tooth and a bad stomach that he craves to be set. I can have sympathy and empathy for you ones. I will not tolerate you to wallow in your own lies. We're about truth. Now let's talk business. What do you want out of Panama? How did Panama come to be? You heard about somebody and you sent a package. I guess Randall and Rasmussen, did Ken send it or did you?
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[other speaker] I sent it. Ken mailed it, of course. 
Let’s get down to real business. Supposing you never heard of Randall and he did not sit in this room, and you sent a package to Randall who has been in touch with you back and forth and he says I think I know where I might get that funded. Do you get some remuneration Randall at the end of a consummated deal? 
[Randall] Yes.
Is it worth it to you? 
[Randall] Yes. 
Does Mr. McConnell get something? 
[Randall] I believe so. He's paid directly. 
Quite a lot. Is he or is he not sort of the Otto decision maker? Or is he just simply a go-between?
[Randall] Both. So he'll get a little bit. 
[other speaker] He'll work to get it put together. 
Now let us move on down to Julio. Is that his name? 
[other speaker] Uh-huh. 
Julio is a nice Panamanian front man. What does he get out of it? 
[Randall] I don't know, some salary or what he's doing. 
Well, it depends on what he's doing, right? So let's take Otto. What does Otto get out of it? Otto gets $25,000 up front. 
[Randall] Uh Huh 
$25,000 at the end. And his own attorneys are getting paid along in there somewhere and you're out another $75,000, anywhere from $25,000 to $75,000 to get it written. So any good client is going to be in anywhere from $100,000 to $150,000. Plus on top of that, Otto has written in front of you. Three million of commission on to the top of it. You better damn well believe he wants you in there. Now what kind of a game are we playing? Who's doing who the favor? You act as if you have nothing to offer. And it is a great honor for them to shower this down on you. I've tried every way there is to prove to you that you don't need any one of them. You only need one of them. If you want to go to Panama and tomorrow morning Otto says by the ninth I will have three million dollars cashable income in your pocket, then go. Up until then it means Oberli
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This is November 30th, 1988, Wednesday. Greetings, Maria. Good morning. I call in light. Thank you. Somebody give me a perception of the discussion. It appears to me that you wanted some discussion of the Panama matter. You want none? I was satisfied with what we had. What do you have?

I have the following. I would call John McConnell, tell him that we have previously submitted those packages to others before Randall sent on him, it gives us three different approvals two of which the conditions and times are lesser attractive than his one of which is better in addition to that we have one of them who's committed to three million dollar advance against those funding and that's very useful to us because it would process those 506 D's take a long time. Then I would say to Mr. McConnell if we wind up doing a 506 D with Panama results in the funding and we have already saved by, you know, two months in advance of that we have already achieved funding with another funder. What do we do now, John?

That's our dilemma as far as going to Panama is concerned. We don't want to cut off that source of funding. On the other hand, it is not the most advantageous nor the speediest source, and we've not requested it, we presume there's no availability of advanced funding to accelerate the projects. And I guess at that point I would leave it to him. His question is going to be, well are you going to Panama or not? That's what his question was. That's right. Now what would you have done if I had not projected her to have an affair? I would have said, John, I can't give you an answer today. I'm supposed to get some information tomorrow that will make it a lot easier for me to say yes or no. I'd like some discussion about this. Please, I want input from all of you.

Your perception as I hear it is perfectly reasonable. It is now. I'm going to ask some hard questions. We have a lot of things to do. I feel very pressured also. I'm really putting the screws to this one. I suppose it would cross your mind, why am I bothering to answer three or four legal pages of perception questions to Wally Gentleman. So I'll clear it right now. If Wally Gentleman cannot put onto that screen what man needs, we need not even put it up there. And unless he can come to agreement some blunt, realistic responses, it will come forth as confusion with the mis-teachings that have been brought forth before. I'm going to remind you once there are two portions to yourself, your God Self which is your soul and your body and somehow the soul feels it must mistreat the body in able to clear its way to clarity and God. It's all bullshit and you put yourself through these ridiculous bits of nonsense and if you want to do that and it makes you feel good, think God does not know how to clean your body? Is it good for instance? Do you really think that maple syrup and lemon juice is a balanced diet? If you do, you better study a little bit harder. If you do it for the proper reasons, and that is you want to exert It's called self-discipline.

And you wish to lose weight, do it. But do it by God for the right reasons. Dogs like me, it's going to take toxins out of your muscles. If it removes toxins from your muscles, it is because your mind believes it will remove toxins from your muscles, and you could do it, brother, without that mess of stuff. And if I come across as severe and angry this morning, I guess I am a little bit. I still watch my own crew wallow around in fantasy. You don't have to sit a certain way, you don't have to eat a certain way. But I've got to have your minds. And you distract your minds with every confounded bit of nonsense you can find.

I don't mean to be offensive. Dharma has a pounding headache that she created to avoid this. I'm not going to let her. Oberle has a bad tooth and a bad stomach that he created himself. I can have sympathy and empathy for you ones, I will not tolerate you to wallow in your own lies. We're about proof. Now let's talk business. What do you want out of Panama? How did Panama come to be? You heard about somebody and you sent a package. I guess Randall and Rasmussen. Did Ken send it or did you? or did you? I can't, I mean, can't mail it. Let's get down to real business. Supposing you never heard of Randall and you did not sit in this room and you sent a package to Randall who has been in touch with you back and forth and he says I think I know where I might get that funded. Do you get some remuneration Randall at the end of a consummated deal? Yes.

Is it worth it to you? Yes. Does Mr. McConnell get something? I believe so. He's paid directly. Quite a lot. Is he or is he not sort of the auto decision maker? Or is he just simply a go-between? Both. So he'll get a little bit. He'll work...

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And you're going to have another one. Miles is blinking his eyes open. I about blew it, he says. But there will be the one and a big one that you can fund over and over and you only have run into two or three of these ones your country is blanketed with ones like McConnell and I'm sorry Randall, ones like Randall and King. 
[Randall] There's thousands of them. 
Thousands and thousands. And I say, if these ones want your business, let them earn it. Don't pay them for your lessons. Lessons are hard enough to come by. They're expensive enough as it is. Don't throw it away. All ones ask, power, power, give me control over this so I can handle it. But that's usually not what ones are really asking for. Please know what you are doing. And until and I'm sorry children I have to be severe. If I cannot get you ones to realizing that there are only two portions to you and it requires nothing more nothing less. Your soul and your body, separate entities, the body is a tool. And there is nothing that you can do with that body that will get you closer to God. That is a weapon and a cop out. I don't care what you do with it, but don't spread that crap around. I don't care if you stand on your left ear, it won’t do anything but hurt your ear. Now if that brings discipline to your soul, so be it, but it’s very foolish. And I don’t want to take all the fun out of your life, because that's what metaphysics and new age thinking is. Fun. Something new to be added onto something old that didn't work. And so you add a bunch of other new stuff that doesn't work. Doesn't have any meaning. Anytime you have to stand out and ask God, why am I holding my hands up here to you? You better look at it again. Because God knows. And if you don't know why you're sticking your hands up there, you better pull them down. If I get no other lesson passed today, let it be that. You can have choices in a business way because you cannot yourself control what the other one at least you don't know it. Depends on the strength of his Godness whether he's developed it or not whether you can control it. But you don’t have any business controlling someone else’s. So you tread around but with you and your relationship to Father God, no, you lie to yourself. You want it to be everything else, because you don't want the responsibility. Now those are the hard facts. And usually I split everybody off about now who can't take it. Only it usually comes much, much earlier. There's no one in this room can't take it. No one in this group can't take it. Therefore I can say it. I don't fear of losing you. You wouldn't have stuck it around this long. But one of the most important players in the team, where is Jake Ritzner? Is he picking up his information? 
[other speaker] No. 
Has anyone called him?
[Oberli] He called earlier this week and asked if he was still scheduled for Panama and I said it didn't look like we were going to be going on the 9th. So he said, well, stay in touch, please. 
Do you see? 
[other speaker] I'd like to call him and check. 
A great lark. We can all go off to Panama as long as someone else pays for it. Do you see? Don't be foolish. I will tell you something, when man will give up everything that he has in his life, including his life, to get to a place or a goal, then believe him. As long as he waits for you to do it for him, you've done it for him. And you're the biggest sucker of all. That does not mean stop your dreams and stop your expectations while you're getting there. But be very careful for what reason you do things. I think it’s the old counting chickens before they are hatched out of their little legs. And always remember the project is God's project for mankind.  It's $35,000 spent on a lark. It’s $35,000 you will not have to spend on food. And yet if it is necessary, it is nothing. I came by my title Badger of the Universe quite honorably. I often live up to it. And I have no objection if you tell him you just can't make a decision until tomorrow. I don't want you ones to put off these things. It is like John Nunes. It's like Jay Gritzner Or Lorena or Randall or Rick or anyone.
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Always ask yourself why you do something. Why you think something. You see this is what Wally Gentleman should be thinking. Why am I thinking all these things? Why do I have this obsession for thinking these things? And that's his answer. He must think them or he can never present them. But until he understands why he's thinking them, they won't have any meaning but torment. Always look at what you wish to do. Is it personal selfishness? Does it further the cause? Or do I just not know what to do? Or do I truly not believe it's going to come from elsewhere, I better latch on to every last thing. Because in your efforts at not overlooking anything, I come back and hit you.
And the foul play flag goes up. How can you do that, Hatonn? You just told us to look at everything. I would be ambiguous. I would be contradictory. Some of it is planned to make you think. Some of it is because you cannot think in those terms yet. But I will always bring you truth. And I’ll let you have it right out front. I will not go tell somebody behind my hand, you know those ninnies up there on Adams Street, I'm really tired of them. It will never be that way. I don't even consider this discipline. I just consider myself loud and raucous. Be lucky it's not Germain, heat really gets. And I don't see it being received in the other way than I'm giving it. 
[Oberli] We appreciate it.
I know. So let's talk about it. Now I say things and I see it's well, I better not open my mouth because I'll get it. Just pass it
Phone rings. 
[Oberli] Okay, that was Jerry Kemp. Apparently hung up on personal financials. 
[other speaker] Yes, did you monitor that, Commander? 
Yes. 
[other speaker] That’s the second call I’ve had on personal financials and track record of the developing group. I know I can't cater to all of them, request all of the different letters. 
It doesn't matter. You can't because there's not. 
[other speaker] That's right. 
So you use the thrust. And this is something they're going, they don't think about it. They take a list of bankers' requirements and they go down and nobody has any intelligence at all. You have a bunch of people going down to fill out a bunch of papers. And because somebody had to do this, now you've got to do it. Never been different in the past, so why would we be different? It doesn't matter if a man has enough money to go out and bend it. He's going to bend it. So you send them all you can drum up on Parsons Engineering who will work in conjunction with Anderson's Pea Soup people. Find out who they are. Let these ones know that there will be no personal involvement at all. You are running on the record of consultants. And you will be happy to supply them with anything they wish to know about the consultants. When you get to the point of the domes, you begin to lose your problem. It gets so big they can't think about it. Always tell them a brand new, spanking clean corporation will be birthed. Make sure they know it is a state of Nevada corporation and that the corporation will only do business with other corporations and outstanding consultants. This is so that there will be no impact on the new project from any past or present projects. Totally separate totally clean with no impact from any past, present, or future.  They have to have a little retraining. And you see once get or you get into the domes, like I say, it is so big they don't know from anything so you bury them in Wally Gentleman's resume and Steven Spielberg's record and Leonard Nimoy's record and they will be participants. Futuronics, my God what could they want past that list of architectures, whatever they are, architects. If they want history, they've got it. What could they want past an engineering firm of the prestige of Parsons? And if you have to point it out to them, I guess you have to point it out to them. I'll tell you one thing, Mr. Khashoggi would not give you his personal statement. Put it on that level. If they don't understand that, tell them Mr. Trump would not give it to you either. You're working with very sophisticated business people. And if you word it properly, they will get the point. Or they'd be embarrassed for having asked. And I might add, should be. Who is this person with? 
[other speaker] Bob Stewart in Palm Springs. He's in Newport Beach right now in his other office. 
Some of these ones may have to come out of their ivory palaces Monday if they want any business from us. 
[other speaker] It’s true.
It's going to become evident in not too far distant future in the underground that something's going on. The little underground is going to be aware of Tehachapi from everywhere they turn. A name that never meant a thing to them and they better start looking into it.
You're laying your groundwork now for future transactions. But you better lay it the way you want it to be, when you don't need them. Then they are trained by the time you do. What is? 
[Oberli] I don’t have more.
Just we close then? 
[Oberli] I would say we are finished. 
I would be available. Just call on me. 
[Oberli] All right.
[group good byes] Salu. Salu Friend. Thank you. Thank you. 
Yes, you are welcome.
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