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11-25-23
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

BUSINESS MEETING CONTINUED

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[Al] Can he use my address? 
No, he doesn't need to, Al. 
[Al] That's okay. 
This is very up front good business. You ones seem to think we're trying to play some hide and seek game. This is up front business. You don't keep it secret one from another. That's the only reason that you have three of them right now to deal with. And you take the best blame offer you get. If we are going to do the same crappy business as the rest of this world, we are in trouble.
[other speaker] That reminds me too, let's say we had three at 30 million a piece, that's 90 million. To make that statement over the phone without any backup support and if there's big ears that hear, that puts a red flag out that we're doing something in their opinion, meaning the ears that hear something wrong. So people should use caution in stating those kinds of things because that's playing with money and one of their things is checking where the money goes and what goes on and make sure that everything is fair and legal. So when those statements are made, it would be my opinion that we should be careful in saying that we'll be picking the right one to fit the right, with the right fees and the right amount of money. 
That's exactly what you need to say. You just said it, son. We're on tape. 
[other speaker] Absolutely. But I want it to be clear, clarified for those that want to tell a friend, so to speak, that that's what's going to happen. Anyways, it needs to be said that way?
Well, I have bad news. There's not going to be any 90 million dollars for one project. You're not going to play that kind of stupid game. [other speaker] Right, because it's more troubling? 
It is not even considered to be worth it. However, if you get two of them who do approve it, and it is well underway and those are going to fund. You go to them and you say we've got the first problem brothers. Two of you are funding. How do you want to handle it?
I have another project for you. Can we change the names? What do you want to do about it? And let them make up their decision. They get very creative. You will not be creative. Not in those measures. Everything coming out of this place will be totally 100% good, clean paperwork. Not to hide to support. And any time a man has three million dollars commission and more coming in regularly and thirty percent of your company, you better believe he's going to try to figure away. So we've let them dangle with these good projects. They want them. I'm sorry they don't have the pea soup in there. They want them. And so you continue to just flood them. And if you have Gary say, no, I don't want pea soup, Oberli, then you go with the one who wants the pea soup. 
[Oberli] Okay. 
Other than that, you go with the one that gets you the most money with the least entanglement first. And I believe that you will find it will be through Jeffers, some way. We have gone a great, great length to set up these contacts. You're going to have a lot of money to put into very unstable market. You cannot buy enough gold and hide it. You'll have the feds down on your neck the minute you start buying gold like that. So you're going to have to invest this money.
So, except for Mount Fuji, you are as well off in Japanese certificates. That government is at least as strong as yours. They keep shoring up the dollar. This is why the dollar is important to watch. Who? Who is shoring up the price of the dollar? It's sure not your boys. And the debt just gets incredibly bigger every day, compound interest, remember? Everybody in your country is so hopped up on credit cards that trillions of dollars is hanging out there. You don't even have money in your national mass citizenry to buy anything new. So you go and you run up the credit a little bit higher. And of course there are ones of you who can't get credit or have credit and you have used it wisely. But the general, ordinary, John Doe on your street will have 14 credit cards and every one of them full and will go out at Christmas now and overload them again. And all of the money going is going to dead debt. To pay off interest payments on these already bought things so that there's really no money to go buy something new. It is a facade that the government hides behind. The Feds do not control anything. They do not print money. They increase the debt and it's killed you. And they'll keep doing it because they belong to the gray men. The world is bankrupt. 
And when that depression hits, not going to be like anything before, but always keep in mind the way depressions have been handled in the past is a nice big fat war after the fact to get you back on your feet. This war will not be like any other war. You can't afford it. So you've got a real problem. So handling this money as it comes back will be the most incredible title job we've ever done. Do you put it with the Japanese at 14%? Do you put it with the Swiss in a trading program at 20%? And then pray that we don't miss a nudge and get out of there in time. Liquidity is a lie. That also is a word set up there to mislead you. You have to be careful how you get your gold. If you get bullion, you have to have it assayed before it can be sold. A lot of expense involved in bullion. So coins are your best. The same with jewelry, you have to have it assayed. In a depression gemstones are not going to be worth it. Diamonds if you hold on to them long enough are necessary also for business. Platinum is too volatile. Gold is about it. Silver, how you are right now, it would be okay. But after you, when the depression hits, silver will just drop right out of the bottom and it would be worth nothing. Gold will drop. But it will come back a little. So there's no good place. The last that will fold up, the last, will be your treasury bonds. Because the government will try to meet those or they lose their credit. Yes, they will default at some point. But boy, they're going to try not to default. They'll keep pushing that debt until hell freezes over. And they'll keep loaning money to the countries that cannot meet their payments to keep them from defaulting for a while.
But it is coming as surely as your life here. So I can only give you a few guidelines and I'll tell you more. If you really understood it, you wouldn’t let this one out of the room.  Where are we? 
[other speaker] Commander?
Yes.
[Rick] May I just take a moment before I forget and thank you for Saturday's message? 
You're welcome Rick. I'm sorry, I don't even remember what Saturday's message was. 
[Rick] Well, that's all. That's our job, to try to remember. 
Well, I accept it. I will always accept thanks, especially when I'm being very harsh. I'm getting to be the real bastard of the troops. 
[Rick] I don't hear this as harsh, when you do this.
[other speaker] I don’t either. I hear it as cold hard facts. 
They are difficult facts to believe. And I don't like to grab it by ones and I have to let you go as far as I dare to see what you will do and you see I perceive that you're about to make some just it choices and that's why you ones have every right to come back to me and say, why didn't you stop us sooner? No, the lessons are not learned sooner. I've let you get right there with the rope around your neck. 
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You cannot have $90 million on one project. You may possibly be able to have two fund and pay off the other one with the second funding. And as long as the second funder knows you're doing that, he'd be very happy. And that gives either one more money to roll over. But you will not encounter these legal problems. You have been monitored for months and months and months. I will not let you stumble legally. [Rick] Thank you for that. 
But I do have a command to run, and I may very well inadvertently let something slip. That's why I have to have every one of you on your toes, paying attention. And Dharma says, well what about life? What about it? What about it? 
[other speaker] Well, it's getting to the point that if we don't do something about this, there may not be any life. 
That's right. 
[Rick] May I ask you a question? 
Yes. 
[Rick] When I sit in the evenings, I don't want to bother you because you're busy and I don't want to bother Semjase. Who do I call in by name for just some general guidance?
What’s the matter with Sananda? He's always been excellent. 
[Rick] Okay. Thank you. 
You're getting a lot of guidance for these projects. Germain's another good one. Yes, annoy him. He annoys me. He annoys me, you know. What are they doing here? Hatonn? What do they think they're doing, Hatonn? Well, they don't know what they're doing. If you told them, Germain, I wouldn't have all this headache. Don't worry about the Space Command. Go to the big boys. 
[Rick] Okay. Thank you. I don't have to be guilty any longer or feel guilty for meeting your calling. 
Never feel guilty to God. He's right there in your head. And when you ones finally understand that, we'd get over all this bullshit. 
[other speaker] We're trying. 
And you're doing fine. There is one time I would like you calling me, and that is when you pick up that telephone to call Otto. I want every truth there. You go quietly within yourself. And he too will answer those questions. And what he is too polite to answer, I'll sure as hell give it to you. 
[Rick] I just don't like bothering the big boys for the small stuff.

That's what the big boys are for, is the small stuff. The rest of us have our responsibilities. You misinterpret. There is nothing small enough to be overlooked by Esu or the Father. 
[Rick] That’s helpful.
That is your support system. And it isn't always a matter of asking for something, it is a matter of communing. We also need to be told how wonderful we are and how much we appreciate what we do for you. That makes bigger people of you. And also, it tells me something else. When you stop asking and stop thanking us for it. I know you're over the hump because then I know you assume it's done.
[other speaker] Thank you.
Now I would like to acknowledge something before we go one step farther. I want to acknowledge Eleanor and John's willingness to share. The thrust was not made at them. I have often said ones do not usually have to make the actual step, but ones have to be willing. These ones were willing to do that, and I honor them for it, for the delay was once again not for them and they are about to take up the slack.  There are four others who wish to join in this group in this town with all of the benefits that come with it, who could easily have written that check. And God always gives his workers time. But we're out of time now. And I humbly thank you. You see these other ones and you ones, Dharma does not get a lot of this into her consciousness.  I can guide myself a lot by what I feel her believing or not believing. You see on one level there is total 100% and more belief because she's with us most of the time. She's going to be with us more and yet when she comes back into her consciousness, she doesn't believe worth a ticker's hoot. This is not to be unkind, this is what the consciousness does. And it's hard to make that final decision to participate and yet I would tell you there are hundreds waiting for you ones to do something so that they can reap rewards. Well the Father has a way of being just. Remember I said it isn't necessarily fair but the Father will always be just. Now let's see what you can pull off Randall with my mouth. Don't injure yourself by letting me sleep. I don't want to be openly discussed with Otto for a long time. That will be Otto's and my secret. You'll have the proper thoughts you go in there like a business man just as if you were J. Paul Getty doing a little business on the telephone. Do you think they would require Mr. Getty to put 25,000 up? I doubt it and unless he came back with the 3 million you still only have a few weeks. It's a toss-up as to which could get here first. And Oberli, you could find out a little bit more about it by narrowing it down and telling him this dilemma. Gary wants to work with you. 
[Oberli] All right. 
You can push it through the Father telling your being badgered about the head and neck from both Panama and Switzerland. Let’s find out about the 3 million first.
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Well, you decide which one goes first. Whatever answer you get from either one gives you ammunition for the other one.
[Oberli] The fact that they didn't get a phone call Friday, is that a cat and mouse type of thing? 
No, not really. It was more of inconvenience than convenience. A lot to be done when you start gathering up paperwork to go for these kind of meetings in Europe. Do we need more on this? 
[Oberli] I'm finished. 
I want, I want full understanding. 
[Other speaker] More of your reading?
[Oberli] Yeah, there was only one paragraph left. 
[Oberli reading from Hatonn] Now let me step aside so Dharma might get ready for the day. I am going to keep her very busy. The rest of you, including Oberli, may pretend she is gone. I must have information and she is not being briefed at all, so we'll have to get it out ourselves salu salu salu. 
[Hatonn] So be it. We’re making progress brothers.
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[Rick]] Now, is that to be a proposal for the structure and the interior both as one proposal? Randall and I have been trying to kick it around and we weren't sure if we were putting together two or three or four different proposals for the network, the satellite, the Futuronics and the structure itself. 
Well, you've got to sit, well, Oberli, help out. Yes, I can tell you exactly what to do. I don't want to be the one to tell you. I realize things seem so cut and dry to me that I can't understand really the question. You will do it according to the way they will accept the project. But Futuronics, we will honor those ones. In fact, when there is funding, you will pay those architects for those drawings. [Rick] Commander?
Yes.
[Rick] I think possibly part of the question in my mind is, like say we have a building for ten million or whatever the amount is, and then we have a Futuronics that's going into the building. Each could be a separate project or we could have Futuronics building the building as a joint venture with someone else. That's, in other words, a breakdown of that. Because if Futuronics can use the first 10 floors, who's going to use the next 20? That's what we were referring to. So is it the building or... Well, Ann, what I was referring to is the name, the so-called Spruce Goose Dome, it's called the Spruce Goose Dome because it houses the spruce goose. Are we calling this dome Futuronix because it houses Futuronix? 
Yes. It's a package. It's already done. In that first one, Futuronix is what we'll use, all 35 stories. It is a motion picture studio. 
[Rick] OK.  So, OK.
And then when you go for Skylink, you both will want what they need from Los Angeles and then you do a duplicate project for out here. And you get Tuberson to help you. And you put it in another dome. And if they won’t go for that, then you originally set it up to go in this dome. 
[Rick] The thing we just weren't clear on is whether the structure itself is a separate proposal from the Futuronics and you just answered that it's both.
And we’re only going to deal right now with the one. The other five are future. 
[Rick] And the other five would include Your World and Your World Network and Skylink? 
Yes, but because we cannot wait to begin the satellite systems, if you will, you're going to have to decide whether you want another interim building, if you can work it out off the motion picture studio. 
[Rick] For Skyline, we're talking. 
Yes. 
[Rick] So we should then be thinking about submitting that relatively quickly. It's almost done now, so there's not much to do. 
Basically, all you have to do is change the names. And I mean the names of Denver versus Houston versus Tehachapi. Do you know how to find Wally, gentleman in Canada, Oberli? 
[Oberli] Uh hum. [yes]
Is there information you need from him? 
[other speaker] I believe we have everything we need from Oliver. For now, yeah.
Well, as I recall, there were prices in there for just about everything. Did Tuberson send you up upgraded prices Oberli? 
[Oberli] No. 
Call him and I'll tell you why. Call him, tell him you need some, is he comfortable with the prices from the Denver proposals? That you will like to call in honor of him nothing more than the entire project Skylink. That you will lump his needs, which I believe was what, three, five million? How much did he need?
[Oberli] Twenty-five.
Brother, for? 
[Oberli] He was going to have five million as equity and then he would borrow the other twenty. 
Then maybe you'll need to do it in two segments, is that... Maybe three. How much was the Denver proposal? 
[Oberli] Closer to a hundred. 
So you're talking a hundred and twenty-five million. See how you can break it down.
[Oberli] Alright.
And you may need to talk with Otto about it. Here's another good, really good opportunity for you, Randall. Just get him aside and you just ask him. I mean this one is really going to be the money maker because it will be centralized both in Los Angeles right in the heart of the industry with all of the ability to film in this new method out here. How does he want it? The same with Gary. Gary is frantic trying to get his operation going. So it's a little bit early. But when those proposals are done, then you get them in. And you don't have to break them up for him. If he can't fund it all at once, he will tell you what portions he can.
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[other speaker] Commander?
Yes.
[other speaker] On these done things then, what you're really saying is we should get these ready for submission without the Parsons material, without the Parsons component? 
Yes. All you have to, yes, you know that just make sure you're asking for enough money. 
[other speaker] Okay. That's part of the difficulty. In other words, Parsons is going to do the engineering and they know what they're going to build out of the material and the cost value of the building itself. 
[other speaker] We can't put a ball field in a half. How do we estimate that? 
Call them and ask them. Tell them you've got to get the proposals in, the tentative proposals. They can wait for the last hard numbers. But you've got to get it operating or you're never going to get it up. Parsons will understand that. They've looked at it, you're going to give them 60,000 as soon as you can but they're going to have to help you or you can't get the financing and maybe John Donahue can help you with that. I don't really understand how it went from cellular cement to bubbles. I would watch this, I wanted built out of the best available material but the reason that John Donahue got into it was because he's in the cellular cement modular business and suddenly we're talking about stretched skins that have to have positive pressure to keep them up? Well, what are you going to do when there is no positive pressure to keep them up? 
[other speaker] That's no good. 
Right, it's going to be a heavy ceiling falling in. 
[other speaker] It will destroy itself. 
So we have to think out there into the future because these ones are not going to. 
[other speaker] Better take a second look at this. What's your objection on this basis? 
[other speaker] Shoot, one of them did go down some place. 
[other speaker] Was it Parsons that brought up the bubble technique? [Oberli] No, don't get it wrong. 
[other speaker] I'm just trying to find out where we are, honey. [Oberli] Donahue brought it up. 
[other speaker] Oh. Hmm. It's a lower cost method probably. 
[Oberli] Much lower. 
Now who knows about the sacramental domes? Bakersfield. Wherever they are going to put up domes. Somebody brought it up. 
[Oberli] Larry Skelly brought it up. 
What kind of domes are they going to use? And I'm not saying that maybe a stretched bubble is not the way to go. If you can make sure that you will not have interruption of that positive pressure because I will tell you the way I see it, I cannot guarantee you won’t have interruption of it unless you can also set up a solar device and the minute the solar device doesn't work. Now there are engineering ways that can take care of it but is it worth it? 
[other speaker] New energy source. 
Well you don't have it, so you work with what is. How much was that dome going to cost with cellular cement, Oberli? Donahue gave you a price because he dropped it by a million and a half by putting a central standard. 
[Oberli] Early on he was talking around six and a half million.
All you really need to know is if for six and a half million can you build a dome. Anything lesser than that is gravy. 
[other speaker] So that was using which material? The cellular? 
[Oberli] It was his early estimate on the cellular concrete using, I think, roughly $20 a foot, maybe $30. 
Well, now we know this. The first Futuronics building, dome, had projections. It had architectural engineering done. I don't care if the first one is stretched aluminum. That's why you'll have a central one. I prefer it not be that way. But while we dink around with it, the work comes to an end doesn't seem to be worth it either. They made some projections as to cost, the hundreds of thousands of dollars owed to these ones they did a lot of work. 
[other speaker] Future Onyx?
Yes. 
[other speaker]You're talking about the attorneys Future Onyx used? 
I'm talking about the architects and they don't want to let you have their information until you can assure them you're going to pay them. Well, they're not getting paid the way it is. So you assure them that you will pay them and you go on their projected numbers. 
[other speaker] So you should call them. 
Well, you have to clear that with Willie Gentleman. That is strictly in his... you would never never call these ones for instance just out of the blue, they would not tell you anything except what could you know well I won't go into it. But he has written to them he knows them and you can get your information from Tuberson. I'm sure that this work satellite could work somehow out of that dome for a little bit.
[other speaker] Could you put in the top center of it for a while? Top stories? Bad stories or something like that? 
No. No. No. It would be all but impossible to build a floor up there. As a matter of fact, and the reason that they need that height is for aerial photography. Our hawk is going to be up there. Is there more about that? 
[Oberli] No. 
Would someone like to tell me back now what we've decided. What are we going to do from this minute?
[Oberli] We're going to go down and get a piece of Anderson's ready to go. So we'll have it available to mail. We have to get the dome materials ready for Gary so that we can send him that information. I can call Wally and Tuberson to get these other pieces of information, assuming that there's anything lacking. 
Was it normal to be back in the office at the same time, Otto, or would she be there? 
[other speaker] I was understanding that she said she'd try to be back on, I heard it through Jenny, the secretary, that she'd be in Monday afternoon or Tuesday morning, same way with Otto. So I will call today and find out if they're in, if they are in, I will proceed with what we discussed. 
Very good. As I recall you were to speak with Gary today anyway weren't you Oberli?
[Oberli] That's a week from today. 
Oh I apologize. 
[Oberli] After Thanksgiving I might be able to find him. I would appreciate it if we could terminate, Commander. 
I'm just waiting back. Is everyone at comfort? 
[group speaks] I am. Yes. It seems to be unanimous. 
Then I will take my leave.
[group speaks] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 
Believe it or not, friends, it's well on the way. You're doing fine. From day to day it doesn't look it, I'm telling you you are and you have much more power than you realize and I go now. Sorry.
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