88117-b

11-21-23
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN

THINK BIG—WORK SMALL

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[other speaker] 35 foot dome going here. 
[other speaker] 35 story
[other speaker] Story? 35 story, I'm sorry. But my question is, does anyone here know whether or not anyone of the city council or chamber of commerce, or anything like that, has heard any word of it? 
[other speaker] Yesterday, the chamber guy is also the head of the economic development committee board. They're looking at a new big business plan that's going to be run in the economy. It's also just run in a circular. 
[other speaker] He didn't say that he was going to turn it down. He said something about a huge dome but didn’t see a plan. [undecipherable]
I had to tell you this. You ones new into this town don't understand. It is a very little town. As a matter of fact, Lorena is on the board of the Chamber of Commerce. You are dreaming if you think it isn't around, as I think of crises. And if you come in like separate individual promoters, you're going to get shot down because the ones who already know it's planned from here and don't know you are going to stop you. And I sound like a wet blanket. Don't this, don't that, don't the other. I don't mean to be that way. But I'm not going to let it get out of hand either. This is why ones have been discouraged from coming to this place at all. Because out of order, and right now about all that is in order, is to begin quietly maybe to function in the community, but simply to write proposals and get some money so that we can afford to do something when the time is right. 
[other speaker] [undecipherable]
Abby, I heard you first. 
[other speaker] Getting back to the proposals, I don't think the license is required, but has anything been done in the proposal for the infrastructure for the building that we're building, or the proposals for the building that we're interacting with? 
Well in our proposals no because that is the landowners problem and that's what they're dealing with right now.
[other speaker] If they aren’t getting that, first thing has come first ,you can't do anything with a building without infrastructure in place. 
Very interesting. 
[other speaker] Now the infrastructure should I see that the proposal has to work with someone who's doing it to make sure this is done.
It’s a priority.
Well, it's getting done, and there are ones working with him that are getting it done. However, you notice a marked absence of a belief in the fact that it will be. And therefore, they don't want, because they can't afford to, go and change all of the directions engineering-wise. They go off past idiocy, run about and get engineers out and pay a tremendous amount of money to mis-structure your infrastructure. Now they're going to work, and Larry, praise your father, will hold Josephine's hand and keep it somewhere in tow because he is a contractor and he knows what he's doing. And they are going off like idiots and chickens, running to the county, running to the city fathers. They don't believe enough that there is going to be an Anderson's piece soon. And you ones are terrified we will run out of time, and you don’t have anything to do to pay for it. And I at some point will get across to you it is the Father's plan. Do you not think He will see it through? You don't have to push and push and push and push. They are going to have to come into their knowledge that they cannot do it the way they are doing it. And if we have to film this entire Sipapu in southeastern Utah, we will do so. That is number one. It will be very nice if could have that structure. But if we need to use Mr. Redford Studios in Cobalt, Utah, we will do so. The moment that picture is funded, everybody will be in the game again. Yes? 
[other speaker] Now that I have a good point about the involvement in terms of finding out information about the sewer and that sort of thing, yet my concern is what you said, that it's very important in a town this size to remain in office. So it's a delicate balance. 
Oh, but you don't have to stop. There will come a day when Oberli, a nobody, would be the town father and mother probably, because there's no way to be that way. 
[other speaker] I'm just making a statement. 
[other speaker] Give me a hand with this. 
[other speaker] I'm just making a statement. 
[other speaker] I know that we were property owners. 
[other speaker] Other things more important things than in the city.
[other speaker] I would like to steer the conversation back to  priorities because I know [undecipherable] constructively and it we’re off in left field, which I guess we are a little bit, then let's get back on track and what you're saying, what I hear you saying is the water can yes the exit orientation is important, yes the greenhouse is important, yes the sewer is important, yes what areas should we be concentrating on now specifically? I know you don’t want to give the answer. 
It isn’t that I don’t want to give you the answers, I have given the answers so many times I’m turning like Germain, purple. You have to 
have a place. The Asadorian property must be proposed.
[other speaker] but you also just said not for us to get in and EJ to
Talking to them.
That’s right. That does not mean you can't start a proposal son. You're going to have to have the same write-up for every proposal you send in. Why this place, why it is feasible, why would a track, a training track be feasible in this town. All things can be worked on assumptions. And finally, the facts plugged in to the computer. [other speaker] That's what the process of the man was for. It was to work on assumptions and the fact that he was brought in as we needed to be in the property. 
I get the picture of running helter-skelter, I’m sorry. Perhaps my perception is incorrect. 
[other speaker] I've sat over here and listened to you folks talk about proposals for houses and other big developments. But nobody's ever considered the fact we've got to have a large sewage system which has to be in place before we even start running this stuff into it. In every development I've ever known, you always have to have sewage connections. And we, for some reason or other, are shying away from this. We can't even get the city fathers to think big enough for us. We need a tremendous sewage system for what we're proposing here. We're probably going to have a city here with a hundred thousand at least, maybe five hundred thousand in twenty years. It takes five years or ten years to design and build a big sewage system. We need to do these things. Now I don't know how we're going to motivate these people to do it. We might use Parsons or someone else to do this, that would be tipping our hand too soon maybe. But somehow we have to have a system that's going to integrate and fit together. When they built one in San Diego, they put, I think they spent $30 million and they put sewer pipes all over the countryside there, miles and miles. 50 miles one way and 30 miles the other way. And it took three or four years before they even approved it. If we're going to go with a big development, land development, eventually, work it up to it, we've got to be thinking big, not small. I don't know how to get started here, should we be developing proposals on... We've got to be thinking big, not small. I don't know how to get started here, should we be developing proposals on...The sewage system is premature now. I don't know how we're going to get the city planners to go along with this kind of thinking. 
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[other speaker] Slightly the other day you mentioned the other day, Randall, that we should put together a proposal so big on land to put together at once to secure the properties.
Why do you think Otto will fund such mammoth things he has always wanted to keep them small. 
[other speaker] I'm at $8,000 to $10,000. 
[other speaker] $10 million in the account. It's the same as they put bid out in Colorado, the one he just approved, it's in process now.
I was using that as a break down. But when I ran the numbers with EJ on this particular property and a couple others, it doesn't take much to get to $8,000. 
How are you going to pay off this back?
[other speaker] There are five-year bonds I was under the impression we would be building APT houses and now putting in commercial buildings on some of this property over a period of five years plus the city bonds for putting in the sewer and sidewalks and things.
We've done a system of cleaning of that. I'm going back to that thing we got. 
[other speaker] Where would you put this sewer system? You see, you'd have to have one that you can add to it and grow. You'd have to have these sludge ponds and all this other stuff, treatment ponds. And I don't know whether we've got a good spot that we'd drain into, short of the big cement plant down there. I don't know, it cost a fortune to put the pipes in for it. 
Yes it will. And it needs to go all the way to Mojave and pass into the desert. 
[other speaker] Let it sink into the desert? 
I don't know. I'm not going to give you your engineering. If you blunder I'll stop you. You're blundering now and I'm stopping you. I didn't promise you that rose garden. I said it would be harder than hell.
[other speaker] It's a tough job, I realize. 
Yes it is. 
[other speaker] But we've got to think big enough so that we can go in with a small deal and let it expand into the growing to the large operation sewage. 
[other speaker] [undecipherable] Then you can take their hand work small and get it pass the city college. But you can’t think small in the sewer piece meal that all the time. But once you think only zero fit, [undecipherable] We're not supposed to tip our hand. 
[other speaker] It's some catch that fits. 
Yes, it is. And we're sitting without funding.
[other speaker] Couldn't we have a master plan that would kind of just allows it to, let me put it this way, grow into that? 
[other speaker] Who is the right guy, do you think, that would extend the storage and to Mojave for this small project. And if you're going to take Mojave on a sewer project, right off the bat, you're saving and you've got to tip your hand if you want to put it in. 
[other speaker] You don't have to tip your hand. All you have to do is tell somebody to go get the plans for Canyon Country. That place was the most desolate place seven years ago.
[other speaker] Better than New Hampshire? I don't think you... 
[other speaker] Well, I'm talking about to go to the city planners or anything and talk to a huge sewer system. 
[other speaker] How are you going to justify it without... 
[other speaker] Well, you've got to make plans for a sewer system where you're going to do a piecemeal. And you don't want to do piecemeal because... 
[other speaker] You can't already do it. 
[other speaker] So, you're going to have to tip your hand someplace to get permits to build that system of the sewer. And that sewer system, to me, has to come first, unless you're going to piecemeal it all the time.
[other speaker] I don't get that impression. I watched what they did in Canyon Country. I don't know if anybody here knows where Canyon Country is. 
[other speaker] Yeah, I know where Canyon Country is, but I don't know exactly how they would. 
[other speaker] They did nothing. They speculated that the city would grow to the size it had. 
[other speaker] We're talking about a sewage system. 
[other speaker] I understand. 
[other speaker] But you're going to piece meal it?
[other speaker] No, but if you would listen to what I'm telling you. Canyon Country grew so fast, developers never looked at any of that stuff. They never looked at sewage systems. They never looked at water supply. They overbuilt so badly they don't have the water to supply to the people of Canyon Country because it grew so fast. Any city planner, if you went in there with a big plan and said, just look what you did here, and you don't think this community has the potential of growth, all they have to do is look back at the last year's records of growth. You don't have to tip your hand and say, we have intentions of making this place grow by tenfold in two years.
Society itself will show, not society, statistics will show that itself. I don’t think you have to tip your hand and if they're that ignorant then you will have to piece meal.
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[other speaker] I know doubling in 10 years.
[other speaker[ Tehachapi?  
[other speaker] [undecipherable]
Absolutely, Bill. But now let us talk about what is. What do we have to work with? What is? We have no money. Oberli may get some money. You don't have any money even up front to keep Otto or the Panamanians. So let's talk about what is. You have approved by Gary Moody, TeraBlock and ABT, and he will begin to fund those as soon as he can. As a matter of fact, he's going to be aggravated as hell when he finds out that they've been submitted everywhere else. Why are you sweating that? Otto has an unlimited supply of money. Now does Otto want to do business or does Otto want to play games with you? You act as if you're at his mercy. He is at your mercy. You don't have to give him any business. It would help if we had more funds with which to work, but you headed for trouble. And I agree, every project you have you send to everyone. Let's see what they will offer you to have your business. And the more they have sitting on your desk from this area, the more attention they're going to pay to you. But they cannot give up without threatening you. Who cares if Panama does not fund it? Does anybody want to argue with me? I like a good debate. 
[other speaker] I don't think it makes any difference because if we can get competition going elsewhere, Otto without Panama, Panama will come around and start doing some of our business. You only have to pay them. Yes?
What do you suppose would happen if you caught Mr. McConnell and said I'm sorry, We're not going to go to Panama. We have a better deal.
This is why you get everything to everyone. That does not mean you can't accept funding from everyone or you're going to get into a legal mishmash. You can get funding from almost all, if you have not overdone it to the point that you cannot fed that beast, or by some excuse of paying off one by the funding of another. The city has to come into its comfort. Number one, Jim Crawford does not believe there will be a piece of Anderson. That alone will overtax the sewer system. He thinks there may be a dome, but 35 stories high, brother, he has no consent. They are a little snowflake on one 8 by 11 piece of paper that he doesn't believe because he cannot believe in himself. He is over charging for his property he is frantic, he does not know what to do, he is in over his head and trying to take advantage of poor Josephine, who is much more sophisticated than she would appear to you. Right now it's tangled up in total greed. And I'm a mind not to let them have any part of it. I'm really a mind to go and build the first dome on John Nunes's property. That's how irritated I am. I'm watching those ones play their foolish, foolish games. Doesn't need to come to that. I told you in the beginning, harken back to the tapes, I told you from the time they walked through the door, you will have use of that land. It may just take a while. Whatever the Father needs will be brought unto you. You are frantic because you are in a lull here, where you do not have the wherewithal to even survive. Let us deal with that and not magnificent plans of hundred million dollar sewer systems. How do we get past now to there? That's the problem. Because you ones have your back against the wall, whether it is good planning, poor planning, does not matter. That's where you are and that's what we deal with.
Because for those reasons, nothing will be sacrificed. Now am I right or am I wrong? I will often tell you wrong, somebody better respond. [other speaker] it sounded great back to her every move we met we get in deeper 
[other speaker] Right there I don’t think we're in that bad of shape and we're just getting a little back on track. 
[other speaker] We've got to get some cash flow. 
Yes, we have to have cash flow from somewhere. 
[other speaker] Can't run forever on no gas in the tank. 
[other speaker] It’s got to come somehow pretty soon. 
These ones would have absolutely zero after the first of the year.
I will tell you that now. Mr. Scharffenberger will close the park. There is not anything now. So what are we talking about? Let us talk about what we are and what we have. And then let us see if anybody is going to hear of me. This is where we are. John Jeffers is trying as hard as he can push. It is not easy to push a nation full of Japanese. It is even harder to push on bankers. For you see, what he is doing is no great miracle. He is simply making an effort to utilize product bit by these ones for their own purposes to avoid the Federal Reserve. LCDs, DNPs, PDQs, and RSTs have been bid to avoid those ones. Now when one comes up with a very workable idea, it is pounced on like a piece of meat in a lion's den. So it requires great caution. There has been great insecurity in the open marketplaces until after the election to see who was going to prison and who was going to get to play for a little while longer. Well some are going to get to play a little longer. You have several problems to think about. Our first obligation is to the Father for the story, to be followed on by information to mankind. If you have a massive earthquake in the middle, so be it, you're through, go home. And you've done a good job. But if you're going to worry about it, whether or not you can get through, you're not trusting your Father very much. It will go just exactly as far as he chooses for it to go. So you may as well roll over and go with it and stop paddling around in the eddies trying to get back into the river so you can drown.
[other speaker] Well now come on Hatonn, you're not that far off trail. 
You're pretty far. Now you youngsters have come because you have a great, great contribution to make and you're eager, and I have said get proposals written. What else are you going to do? Somebody tell me what else you're going to do. What are you prepared to do in this town, in this particular environment with the Father's plan, which is mine? I have it all laid out here right in front of you. I do have scanners uh-huh and you don't.
[other speaker] That's unfair advantage.
[other speaker] Unfair!
Yes. well I never said it was fair, hard is just not fair so if you ones have come and it's a little premature you may have to suffer by writing proposals on assumptions. That's the way it is. And we can make do. The way my scanners perceive it is that Jeffers will get it done. It will still be very scarce, the financial assistance, until Gary Moody can begin to fund. And then, oh yes, Otto will fund. That's where you should be putting the money. The first $25,000 really should be in his bank or on his desk so that he knows you mean business. He has no other way. Don't kid yourself that he does not remember me. He knows exactly who I am. And greed will take care of the rest of his crew. Greed is a very negative thing, but it can only harm us if we allow it in our midst. And if you ones think that by going out and purchasing land, at this point upon which to build houses, before you even have the money to consummate an arrangement with John Donahue, you are foolish. That is busy work. And Hatonn has never been known for tact either. I warned everybody, if you go back and listen to the tapes, I warned everybody. I'm only patient in the beginning. And then I get nittier than a peacock. And yet, you're right. I have her tucked way aside because she cannot bear this kind of talk. But I have to have a speaker. I am keeping you up all night. You must know I'm almost ready to be there. I would like that satellite dish, hooked up. I don't like being robbed for $1400. I'll tell you that. But I need a satellite dish so I can get on your blasted television. I'm being hampered. Now let me tell you why that smoke alarm. Let me tell you why I will not let you disconnect that smoke alarm and we will allow you a little rest in between. I did last night, we called it off. We have to come into a lower vibration pattern than that raucous, awful smoke alarm to even begin to get into your space in an etheric form, much less manifested. We're setting our toners and our scanners to that vibration. And it is hideous up here. It has everybody very cross.
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What do you perceive you need? Quite frankly I would tell every one of you to go and get a job and relieve yourself of this responsibility for a few days. But I don't know where there are jobs in this town to be had. I don't know what you're willing to do or want to do. I can tell you until $25,000 goes into Otto’s or whatever he’s charging, it's more, isn't it? 
[other speaker] Thirty, isn't it? 
It's going to cost at least thirty. The minute it's sitting in there, he will be comfortable and you'll be on your way. But you're going to have more on the other end. And there are going to be legal expenses. So you're not going to be able to function until some money begins to come from John Jeffers in one way or another, because I will consider Terry Moody a part of John Jeffers. And if that is handled incorrectly, it will blow him completely out of the water. He will want no part of it. Very, very tedious. I can only recommend that you write proposals as fast as you can in the time that you have. You have two months here to get them scattered all around before the new boss takes over. And the next little perturbation starts in Washington. They will be very slight really. But the ones coming in to the Congress have to flex their muscles and they have to shift around a little bit. Why do you think they would want a nice little Mr. Quayle? He won't make ripples for anybody. He doesn't even have to be included, bless his heart. 
[other speaker] He tried to talk to the electorals to have Bush not recommend them to vote him in with him so they can get someone else to replace him. We're still trying to get him out. 
Why do you suppose that's so important to them? 
[other speaker] Because for some reason I thought he was mainly a puppet. I can't quite understand it myself because if he's a puppet why do they? Unless they want someone else the other side can control a little better or something? I don’t know.
Distractors. 
[other speaker] Distractors? 
All that attention paid to zero importance. 
[other speaker] I see. 
It keeps Mr. Bush alive, brothers. If you had anybody that could manage anything, Mr. Bush would be dead. Now that is negative input, but that is truth. The gray men will keep him alive, and they will keep enough distractors going. Your world's in a mess, you know that, that's why we're here. But if we blunder, we blow ourselves away. And I have no intention of that happening. 
[other speaker] I have a question. 
Please.
[other speaker] Otto, say we were to fund Otto, would there be enough money coming in here, seed money, so that we could siphon off a little bit of whatever millions it is to Panama and other efforts and then we essentially will recycle this and make it regenerate and we have a plenty of money to go with? 
Yes. I will tell you why. Otto already has it and willing to do it. He is in Europe but until somebody puts up some earnest money, he will not bring back cash. If he had $30,000 sitting in his office, he would bring you back $3 million. That was the request. And he can loan it against the real estate. And he will purchase a bond. So everybody is partially correct. Everybody is partially incorrect. It is the three million requested that is your savior. He will not do it until someone shows more earnest. 
[other speaker] So we've got to dig up $30,000.
That's about DTS. 
[other speaker] Say, if we were to do this, do you think he'll pull another sneaky Pete on us and double the ante? Oh, it's already twice that. So he's got to double it, too. A hundred thousand. No. 
[other speaker] They can also come out of it back and run a promise. [other speaker] Yeah. Anything else? 
[other speaker] I'm trying to find out what it'll take to start things because I've dealt with these guys before and boy they really screw me, screwed me. I put up $10,000 before you get through it's 20 and then pretty soon they disappear into the woodwork and you can't find anything. Their tents are all gone in Panama. 
That's why I would not by any means suggest money into Panama. They are not even talking about an upfront loan. You have several situations, John, and perhaps you have missed a little bit of conversation. Otto has finally grown above the need to take crappy jobs, but he has had such a poor selection of projects. He sees it. His co-partners see it. They have a mortgage operation going now. They have a leasing operation going now. They need you. They want you. They are just pleading with you to give them something that they can grasp onto so they can legitimately give you what you need, which is the $3 million loan. You're going to have some cost of paperwork. The absolute minimum is just the intent of the $30,000. There may be another 10 in legal work. I cannot judge that. 
[other speaker] But does that have to be paid up front immediately? Do they estimate it and Jack the 30,000 to 40,000 and we have to produce 40,000? 
You're talking to different subjects. 
[other speaker] Okay
[other speaker] There's two there's two pieces to it we're saying that it appears that we had the 30,000 that we could arrange and finalize the three million without any additional money but in order to and step to go further to the $33 million for example of ADT. That includes his fees. In order to complete the paperwork for the $33 million there is your legal, your partnership agreement that needs to be done here in the United States with an attorney which is probably about another $10,000. Then you have your CPA work which is your forecasted financials, which would probably use Jay here, and he would do a forecasted financials, whatever that fee would be. And then we have the printing of the package when it's done, after it's all legally done, according to the rules and regulations of the Securities Exchange Commission, 506B, and it's all registered. Those fees would be, but Otto won't charge any more fees than what he says on that piece of paper up front he's not going to say okay thanks for the first 25 now you got to give me another 25 so... 
[other speaker] Yeah well you know that's why I'm asking questions here 
[other speaker] Right. I put… 
[other speaker] Sometimes you get in deeper than you think when you're right the first step 
[other speaker] I believe if we had the 30,000 for example placed into the into place and he was to come up with the three million we could use the three million to pay all the legal fees and stuff.
Oh yes, but he isn't going to do anything without some earnestness on your part. I guess there are proposals that you cannot fund. 
[other speaker] What's backing the three million?
That's the land. 
[other speaker] Okay that was my question is what we would really are we talking about 
It doesn't matter that you don't loan it. That is land that you will have to put your factories upon. We're talking, we're talking. 
[other speaker] You're assuming you were going to use the three million then to put it down on the land or something. 
No. 
[other speaker] Yes, yes. 
[other speaker] A very small down payment. Down payment was a part of the proposition that we offered to Josephine. 
Well, you are all talking something. And when I say no, I doubt it.
[other speaker] What does the...? 
Because they're not going to get their act together in time to require any of that. And then when you get your funding, you go like gangbusters wherever there is a piece of land that will hold ABT or whatever. We are talking ABT and TeraBlock. Let's not get off on the other subjects.  We aren’t even talking dome, haven’t done a proposal yet. Let’s not miss what we're talking about. In business language, talking with Otto and Ilona. Yes, they can know about all the rest. That makes them greedy, and they want a part of it. They have to have some excuse to get you going. They're going to be very generous as to what is required. Basically earnest intent of allowing them to fund you brings the three million up front. They know you're going to use it to pay their fees. At least they certainly hope so. But they can't come out and put that on a piece of paper or on the telephone. 
[other speaker] Say somebody coughs up the $30,000, what type of collateral do they get? Goodwill? 
[other speaker] You have a proposal, I mean an offer, from Otto stating the fact as soon as that paperwork goes through, then that's collateral in itself. We have two of those actually. 
No, wait, wait, wait. Nothing happens to the 30,000 immediately until you get the 3 million and then whoever puts up 30,000 gets their 30,000 back. That's collateral. If you don't get your 3 million, you get your 30,000 back and tell them up theirs. 
[other speaker] See, nobody's ever said that 30,000 is just there in trust. That's what you're talking about. 
It isn't exactly a trust. But if they don't do the $3 million up front, it's understood. They'd better damn well not cash that check. [other speaker] Is there a possibility to lose as an investor that $30,000? 
Well, Precious, there's always possibility. If there were not possibilities, one would never make a decision. 
[other speaker] What kind of a risk is it?
[other speaker] Well that's the, I think that's what John's trying to find out. I mean like, the risk factor. I'm going to check it again. [other speaker] I don't think it will be a risk. 
Let us talk about risk versus anything else. What are we about? 
[other speaker] Who’s plan is it?
[other speaker] It's God's plan, it should be protected, insured completely. 
[other speaker] In God we trust. In God we trust. 
That's right. If I tell you it's coming back, no one believes me.
Including Dharma. Oh wait, wait, you don't. Be cautious who answers. [other speaker] Well, let me put it this way. If we didn't trust, would any of us be here sitting here right now? 
Yes, absolutely. 
[other speaker] We wouldn't. 
You would be, or you wouldn't be. 
[other speaker] If I thought this was a fake, I'd leave right now. It's not a fake, but it had positive proof for a long period of time. I know that they can do these things and nothing is impossible.
Thank you. But the question was from Al, if we didn't believe, would any of us be sitting here now and my answer is yes.  Many will come. I'm not singling out, don't misunderstand, but I'm going to answer in generalities the generalities of the question. Were there many who are not sitting in this room, who are of this group, waiting to see if anybody else trusts enough for them to put it all on the line? And they're holding back greatly. In fact, they will not come to our meetings, waiting. So they don't have to make a decision. It is happening moment by moment of every one of your days. That's why there are so few in this room. So yes, believe it. Many would come, not believe it and not trusting. And the proof of it is in what is happening. Jim Crawford sat right in this room in my presence and said, I...
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