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11-17-23
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPTION:  SPEAKER:  KAREEM/KRIS, G. C. HATONN TO MONITOR

THINGS ARE HEATING UP IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE

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[Oberli] Oh, I'm not in the front. In just around the corner. This is October the 7th, 1988. And with us is Kareem and Kris. And Kareem is going to tell us a little bit about the Baubiologie. 
[Kareem] Building Biology. Building built biology. 
I am here.
[Oberli] Thank you commander 
I will just monitor I'm here tonight.
[Oberli] Thank you 
I realize we have to move rapidly I will not take the floor. I would like to monitor please and as we get a little bit farther, Mr. Tesla sits with us. For the comfort of the speaker, perhaps I will just monitor along unless you have questions of him and then we will get him present to speak.  I will just quiet and you ones to continue with your conversation. You know why you are here and what you are about and then I will enlarge upon that after we get through discussing these things. I welcome you ones here, I'm pleased. The people in this household have had a very, very hyper day. I want you ones to know part of it is the coming together of these strong energies. There are no slight energies that would be coming into this group and you're beginning to sense them for miles and miles away. And as the communications are picking up, there's just a lot of hum in this mountain. So we welcome all of you. We are very, very pleased to have you here. And I will quiet. 
[Oberli] Thank you. Could you go ahead, Kareem?  We will have a recording for you. To take with you. 
[Kareem] In Florida is Mr. Helmut Ziehe. Helmut Ziehe is a German architect, educated very well in Baubiologie. This means in healthy home building. And he has translated a correspondence course which was appearing in Germany 15 years ago and has influenced the whole market situation in Germany. I have studied this correspondence course about 12 years and was first inspired to discuss this correspondence about healthy eating and I think for this project which should go on here in Tehachapi with the home building this would be a great adding gift I have an addition with Mr. Helmut Ziehe because he is an expert in many fields. I think in a good cooperation, in a good teamwork, he can give some very great ideas and help by making this company very successful. Not only cheap houses, building also very healthy homes. And I have suggested to Mr. E.G. Enge, you should get in contact with Mr. Helmut Ziehe, telling him about my visit here. Because I told him already about your enterprises here. I said this would be perfect if they come together. He is also a key figure in the network about new age technology and building, what's going on. He knows many very interesting persons, peoples in the United States already and many responding, very interesting people responding to him so he can bring this whole network to KSOR in addition to the existing network. This is all what I would say in connection to probability, especially everyone who is building homes and planning homes should be informed about this knowledge, the results, and what we have discovered. This was by a professor in Baubiologie, done in Germany with his group. He has developed this over many, many years with the help of many high specialists in Germany who build and everyone from the good people in Germany building in quality is informed about all the specific points which this correspondence course is pointing out. My English got better. 
[Hatonn] Your English is excellent. Almost as good as Hatonn's. I don't speak English either. I would ask you please if you would, is this not the same information that has been sent by the postal? 
[Kareem] Yes. 
[Hatonn] To Oberli. Very good. Would you explain a little bit about what happens? These ones have no idea what it is. Is it air ventilation, circulation, particulate precipitation, we don't know what it is.
[Kareem] About the course you mean? 
[Hatonn] Well, what does it do? What is it actually? 
[Kareem] This is, yeah. 
[Hatonn] What do you do in a building? 
[Kareem] I can bring this together in a few words. And everything is said, you see, This is the knowledge what is necessary to build more healthy homes. Everything like water lines under the house, minerals, mines and so on, radon gas can influence the health of the people in the house. Then all the materials which we use in the house, then the electric circuits which we install in the house, the energy we use to build houses, to maintain houses, so everything should be in harmony with the nature around us.

So this correspondence course, we have all the important key knowledge for a bright perspective looking at in the planning or building my home, make sure this we're not building anything what is poisoning people, or disturbing their mind, or concentration, or ability to meditation.  A home should be practically our second body, and this body should be healthy, the home body should be healthy, so we can unfold the divine consciousness perfectly. But right now, people suffering a lot worldwide, because they are ignorant, without knowledge, without any enlightenment, buildings wrong, eating wrong food, building wrong homes with the wrong material and the wrong design and making themselves practically sick. And here this course was a great inspirement for the people in Germany and this helped to get the people more health conscious in everything we buy for the home. I see in comparing to Germany, this Germany is more advantaged,  what is it? Advantaged? 
[Oberli] Advanced. 
[Kareem] Advanced, thanks. Advanced than still the United States in home building, choosing the right material for everything. Not only the furniture, the carpet, building materials, and behind the decoration, everything has to be right. Yeah, this is in short words, summary about this course. 
[Oberli] OK.
[Kareem] I told you we have all the materials to make a ceramic stove kit. It's high efficiency, no air pollution, in a beautiful form, lifelong, never need to be replaced or repaired. Easy to assemble without any mortar. Only to the weight from the stove every part sticks together and that can be disassembled in the same way in 10 minutes easily transported without hurting the spine because there's no big heavy parts. All the heavy parts are small and one man can lift each part easily. Metal stoves today, they weigh up to 600 pounds. And if you transport something like this over your floor, you ruin your carpet, your tiles, and maybe your spine like me. And by the ceramic stove, you don't have such a large, heavy part. And we started yesterday night to get a figure, to get what we need to be able to make a mass production from the stove kitchen. Different designs, because different homes, different sizes, need different PDU amount, different amount of PDU, kilowatt, kilocalorie or whatever, you know what I'm saying? So, I found in the meantime, in the meantime I was here last time, a great expert in ceramic, Mr. David Cornell. David Cornell is for 25 years a master in ceramics, has developed a great experience, is very well known in the all ceramic field in America because he appeared in many professional books about ceramics. He is one of the greatest experts in glazing and in kiln building. So he knows everything about the high temperatures and he is an incredible research man. He knows everything. He is a walking encyclopedia. He knows everything about ceramics, what's going on in the United States. He's best informed. And he's now my partner. We've formed the S-Corporation in the meantime. And he and me own practically now Kachelofen Group Incorporated. And we are ready to build a low-cost ceramic stove. The tiles do not need to be glazed, this is too expensive. And we can color the clay, we have the minerals to give the clay different colors. And we can bring them in all kinds of shapes and bring this in a casting. In a way this we can have to get practically a stove kit. Easy transportable, easy to assemble, no high education necessary. You follow the instructions and even a simple housewife can assemble the stove kit practically in 10 minutes. 
[other speaker] Is this earthquake resistant?
[Kareem] It's earthquake resistant. Also my stove tiles I have developed, they are earthquake resistant. And I had a nice experience to test this. I was building a hyper-custom wall in the house from the county administrator. And I said that the first line on tiles was wrong. I had to disassemble the tiles. And normally, you can break them, breaking them apart easily, but they were so strong I was not able with my hand power to break them apart. I had to cut the screw where each tile was grout and this was fresh, even the grout was not dried totally this was only 10 minutes later, this wall is already so strong.  But you do not break a tile by doing this. We are not using also cement in the grout. This even after 100 years can be easily disassembled. But I absolutely was surprised about the strength the tiles holding together. 
[other speaker] Amazing strength. 
[Kareem]So there is no problem. I have built a freestanding tile wall. We tried out. Push together your back, with the heavy weight, and this is not moving. A two inch thick tile wall. It's incredibly strong. And I have done vibration tests also and all the German imported tiles failed, they are falling apart. But with this new design form practically we can keep the tiles so strong. The other benefit from this tile is this can be easily assembled. There is no very high skills necessary to do this. And this goes fast. Secure and fast. You save a lot of time and education and experience. So, now we had a hard time in the meantime in our business. From the last time to right now I had to struggle to survive and to convince the people. Every builder was skeptical because they thought we have to be approved, UL listed from the other brighter laboratories or something. And in the meantime, even on television we got the confirmation out, out stoves are exempted from all the wood stove requirements and they are not wood stoves, they are wood burning appliances. So we have now no more problems with the government people and I will get very soon now my official certification that my stoves are allowed to be filled in everywhere from the DEQ and EPA. Because this is so brand new in America there's no buildings inspectors, no real visitors. And I'm working right now also on a checklist for the buildings inspectors to supply them with this so they will be able in the future to check and test ceramic stoves if anyone build some. So they know where to look, how to look, how to check this out. So we are here in the beginning of a total new area for America. We are in the beginning of a renaissance for a new profession, which will last 147 years long in America.
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Tile maker, stove tile maker, and stove builder and heating experts. America has no heating experts right now. Otherwise they will have to develop the last stove which is functioning and not air polluting. But they don't know this metal is the wrong material. 
[Hatonn] From funding to production, how long do you project? If you had funding? 
[Kareem] If we had enough money, which is necessary to get the building, the machines, and materials and labor, to go totally in the mass production, it would be 10 to 12 months’ time. 
[Hatonn] So it would be available by next winter 
[Kareem] Practically yeah soon we have carry more 
[Hatonn] Are you married to your location? 
[Kareem] Please again.
[Hatonn]  Are you married to my location?  Do you do you see yourself as being where you are located now versus moving? 
[Kareem] No, I'm not attached to this location first. This location is in one side, it's very good. On the other side I can imagine very well a production plant also here in the Archipelago for example or anywhere in the United States. We are not depending on any place. [Hatonn] What about the ones working with you? 
[Kareem] Also, David Cornell can be working everywhere and he has a little attachment to Ashland, but it's also not always necessary, maybe in the future, that he stays all the time on a place. He can move. 
[Hatonn] I don't like to disrupt lifestyles. However, I foresee the area of Ashland not being safe. We will maintain this place in safety at all costs. And almost all of the new technology will be coming forth. Let us call it new, old, whatever we want to call it, the proper. The proper for a new, let us call it civilization. Let's call it what it is. I don't want to shock Kris because he has not experienced me. And perhaps Kareem will tell Kris about who I am. I am a commander. I come from the high strands of the outer dimensions. I am however functioning as a fourth dimensional commander. And this is the place, our purpose, let us put it right where it's at, is a survival city. Bringing forth the proper technology that will be functional right into the time of radiance, as this planet makes her transition. There is the major crystal of Lemuria at this location. I do not want to take time in this meeting because you ones need to move further on and we need to talk really, frankly, basic business. And that's why I'm kind of putting Nikola a little bit to the side. Let us talk, brothers, the ones in this room, having been putting proposals together. We have funding resources but it does require proposals, that means numbers. I would like input, Randall. What are your feelings about getting this funded? We can make a beautiful proposal. 
[Randall] As you had mentioned, the numbers, the overview and what you mean by mass production, how many units and how much profit or how much it takes, how much material we need for that kind of thing, what kind of a building, what kind of a facility do we need to make or to have available to you. The ability to what kind of styles you want to start with, what kind of shapes like you talk about them, I had the one you have there. Those kinds of items we would need because we do have financial sources for those. We need to put a package together in order to list out what the items are, how much it costs to get to that point, whether you have 12 months, 9 months. And then so we would have an investor or an institutional investor both in the United States and out of the United States. It appears at this point we have investors that would vote in the United States domestic and international. That would do something like this as long as we have the numbers and it would have to be over into the millions in order for them to look at it.
[Hatonn] That's fine. We're going to put it there anyway. 
[Randall] Yes. 
Hatonn] We're going to. Let's talk basics. When you began to put up the advanced building houses, there will be, and this is for the benefit of everyone in the room, there will be what you will call your basic Kachelofen heat source, your major, what you would call a fireplace. I hesitate to even use the terminology in relationship to these beautiful heating units. As Mr. Tesla outlined in his writing of this morning, mankind has got to have some other kind of backup and this must be in a portable unit that can be converted into a cooking surface and an oven. It can also be utilized. It could be rolled right in from outside for instance.  But I believe especially as he pointed out, what could be classified as an indoor barbecue or something that is set into a beautiful tile hooded area. You will find them in your beautiful homes these days, just charcoal cookers, etc. But what you are going to be faced with is a period of time with no electricity and no source of gas, especially along the coastal line. I don't believe that we will have what you're going to call your big one, probably until next year. We are maintaining pretty good stability, but there are two or three of the side faults that I don't believe we're going to be able to maintain. They will go, and it will be a good run through it may scare people enough to pay attention. They're going to be massive in damage even at that we are talking probably a seven 
[other speaker] China had a big earthquake I suppose you know about it, they used their DNA at 7. something and they're having a bunch of aftershocks as great as that I guess. 
[Hatonn] Alright, it's happening, it's happening all over, so many are coming to your knowledge, many are not. The earth is in upheaval. This has already begun, you're well into the transition. Great effort is being made and allowed by the cosmic councils to maintain this fault, because so much of our funding sources have to come that route for now. Banking facilities are being set up on the eastern side of that fault line, but along with the giving of the faults is due to go many of the volcanoes. And in reference to that, it is a prayer on the part of all you ones here to please petition that at least one in the chain of volcanoes goes because of the testing in the Nevada site. It is molten radio-active material almost though out your western states.  Hoover Dam is that what you call that boulder?
[other speaker] Hoover Dam.
[Hatonn] Lake Meade, it is so damaged by the impact of those detonations that it appears that that will not hold past spring, that dam. That is going to be a tremendous shock to your electrical supply system because you are finding more and more of the atomic energy production plants are being closed down for one reason or another. I cannot rejoice more. But they just shut one down in Sacramento and we will endeavor not to let them open it full time again. All of the ones making plutonium and tritium are in bad, bad, dangerous, hazardous situations. Hanford Brothers is a trap. It's a death trap. And we cannot, now we're being called in as you're getting particle beam feedbacks to stop them. It is anticipated that when the major fault goes, other than the San Andreas, it probably, it will take out that particle beam testing plant near San Clemente. You see, they put those big testers, accelerators near power plants, the atomic power plants, a tremendous amount of thrust. And now you are having shuttle launches. You see, there was a reason that did not get launched before. Now they're going to put it up there. The next launch with the shuttle will be attended by three or four Titan missiles. Well, we'll see about that. So there's going to be a lot of trouble, and it is not us who will shut this one down. I will tell you that now because it will come to your attention and you will think that we did it. There are already ones on your place making plans to stop that next launch. And I don't believe we'll even have to put our fingers into it. These are just things that you ones should be made aware of. You're going to have a mass of people without any means of heat and your winters are going to get severe. The winds are going to be absolutely incredible. Your summers are going to be hot beyond belief and that will increase. You're in it. Man will not go out and make his precautions. Therefore, one way we can be of assistance is if we are building modular homes, we can just require that these things be in it, at least a place for a source of warmth and the ability to make a loaf of bread. And as Dharma monitored the material that you have brought, it looks like it would not be very difficult to go ahead and put a stove into the kitchen. That could be immediately remove the gas or electrical input and convert it easily to wood.
I would guess, let me inquire, is it feasible, Kareem, to compress these wood chips as referred to and make them into burnable fuel?
[Kareem] No problem. 
[Hatonn] No problem.  Randall, do you believe, or any of you, let us John, you are an engineer, let us ponder just a minute here. Is it feasible to put this Kachelofen factory, let us call it factory for now, along with the other things that Mr. Tesla has requested? I have no doubt after looking at the things, I'm embarrassed to even mention the question, can you do it? Of course you can do it, it's done. Could we lump the compressing of wood chips into logs, into fuel source? Does it matter, Kareem, if they're round or square? Would that make any difference? 
[Kareem] No, it makes no difference. 
[Hatonn] All right. You could work together at that. I think what we're going to need to do is come up with some pretty good all-round figures. You see, if we're going to use compressed earth, I would request that when this one goes and is accepted by Otto, that Kareem make arrangements to go in. Otto von Bresensdorf is from Bavaria out of Munich. You will have a great, great deal in common. He is not particularly divinely enlightened. He is out to make money, but he does it with integrity. And we don't go around our life requiring enlightenment. But I believe that you would enjoy each other. And I believe, especially if we are utilizing the compressed earth machines that he has already agreed to fund, that we will have a very beautiful working relationship. Do you feel I'm correct, Randall? [Randall] Yes.
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[Hatonn] Then I suggest that we, I don't know how to get the time to do it. It can be done by telephone. I would like to pronounce that done and let us go for a lot of money. 
[John] Get Kareem to build all these various Tesla modifications into his, into the design of his ceramic heaters. 
[Hatonn] Oh precious John, Mr. Tesla is Kareem's right arm. This is an old, old friendship. 
[John] I just wanted to be sure he had plenty of funding and he had the ideas to go ahead. 
[Hatonn] Yes. 
[other speaker] I’m wondering if we beef up the funding and the numbers of people involved, if it's possible to accelerate the anticipated timeline by a number of months. 
[John] Cut it down to six months if it might be possible.
[Randall] If at all possible. As soon as we start building the homes, we need to have the first prototypes in there during that first construction. 
[Hatonn] Times have been so pressured here. We're really rolling, brothers. It's grand. We have had the ABT proposal approved by three sources. Now that's $90 million. We have had the TeraBlock proposal approved by what, two? And two sitting on them? I lose track. I just don't want to go to my scanners. We're getting funding rolling. We're having trouble with just like everybody with up front. But these gentlemen, I believe, took care of that today. We're basically within weeks of some major funding coming in. We have one resource that has proved both of these packages that do not have that long waiting period, but there would be a rollover of money situation where we won't get it all at once. But it would be the first probably. And then today approaches are being made and probably at this very moment for a little bit of up-front, let us breathe money and let us put up the paperwork, legal, printing, all of these things, fees, to get the major funding coming. We have some very sophisticated help now.  We have a young man who makes software, computer software, he can help massage these numbers. Oberli is quite good at it. As much as anything we reach out, we have to justify, but you will find, for instance, that Otto would take a $30 million package and to make sure that the return of the money is there, he would just add a $3 million dollar bill onto it and make it 433. There are all sorts of things coming into our use now. So let us not think small. Let us not be ridiculous. And let us think in terms of art for the masses of well-to-do now, but we're going to have to think of survivor. And right now, this country, this entire world, is in a state of bankruptcy. It may as well be faced for what it is. And a lot is hinging on who gets elected president, and I don't mean it makes a whit of difference. They're both awful. So let's put it where it's at. However, Mr. Dukakis would stir things up and cause us a great delay, and probably the downfall of the monetary system. Because if he causes Mexico to default rather than the loan that is underway being issued for Kareem and Kris, Mexico has not made a payment since 1800 on any loan ever made to them. And they're only one of hundreds of countries. Any one of which says we are not going to pay it, your bank situation is in collapse. That's why this major major note and loan of three and a half billion to Mexico right now. So it appears that Mr. Bush will maintain, we won't even call it control, facade. For what? At which point those international money lenders will be trying very desperately to get their money over here and to work. We are not going to have any major corporations, we will have dozens, hundreds of little corporations. Every facet of your business will be a different corporation. Even from the typical fire place, small expense, heating unit, those will go into one corporation. The major beautiful ones will go into another one. This is simply to keep things moving and the government off of your back. All of these will be incorporated in the state of Nevada where no one knows who owns a corporation. I won't take time to explain all of that. Believe me, I know what I'm talking of. I think the major problem is going to be just getting numbers together and getting a proposal together. And I believe we're getting better at that, aren't we? 
[other speaker] Yes, daily. 
[Kareem] I saw this compressed bricks here. I can build any kind of stove out of this, no problem. I will start a very slow firing to let them dry, so there's no explosion. But already the moisture level is very low. And it will be good for heat storage. 
[Hatonn] Yes.
[Kareem] There's no cement in, this is even better. There's nothing in practically. Just squeeze dirt.  There's no problem then. Which can cause any problem. 
[other speaker] It's also healthy then. 
[Kareem] Yeah. Now this is, even the mortar is very simple to, this even simple clay is mixed with silicone sand, with the perfect mortar for this. 
[Hatonn] They can be made beautiful, cannot they Karen? 
[Kareem] I agree with you. 
[Hatonn] It is the heart of a home. 
[Kareem] Yeah, but to make something beautiful out of this, there's no problem. 
[Hatonn] Alright. So be it. You're in business brother. 
[other speaker] We have access to more pictures and things we can put into proposals?  
[Kareem] Yeah, I'm right now, I can leave you this here, it is a small one. 
[other speaker] Can we have 5 or 10?
[Kareem] But this is something different. This is brochures from Jasper. Jasper is a German stove tile manufacturing. And we can employ all kinds of stove factories in Europe and we can also make the stove tiles here. We can build this local material. 
[Hatonn] I would appreciate it if when you build this fundamental building, and I monitored, I looked at the pictures of your proposed factory. It's exquisite. It would be a great beauty on the property with the domes, quite frankly. In fact, it is smaller, but it may put them a little bit to shame. I would right from the very beginning put in your kilns.
[Kareem] Yeah, we can do a lot with the canister. 
[Hatonn] Let's just have a 100% functional factory. With everything that we will need. 
[Kareem] Yeah, we, what the prices and so on. I have done in the meantime a lot of work. From the best stove tile equipment supplier, stove tile manufacturer, equipment supplier, Brüder-Netzscher machine fabric manufacturer, who is representing 11 nations around the world, also the United States. I got a quotation, but this all cost me. By calling them, they were surprised as we were planning the first stovetop manufacturer in history for the United States. They were asking if we were tight on money. The truth is I was not only tight, I was deep, deep in the minus. They told us they even know investors and can supply us with investors if we have finished the business plan. But this was my weak side. I had not the specialists around me and I had also no money to make successful in the meantime the business plan. We have done a lot of work with my partners and people in Ashland, but we were not able to make a business plan. Right now the School of Business of the College of Oregon, Southern Oregon in Ashland, is helping us with some marketing research, school class, and this week in [undecipherable], but also this results for the business plan.
[other speaker] When will that be available? 
[Kareem] When? A couple of weeks. 
[other speaker] Okay. 
[Hatonn] I would like for you, Oberli, to speak with Donahue. Tell him we're going to do the Kachelofen so the frame must be modified at some point. The world. It's just going to be in there. Just like you would automatically put in a fireplace. And these did not have that. You can have a nice visit with him about it and then he can talk with Kareem about it. If we insist that these be put into every house that is produced from your factory, you've got a mass market right there. So when you start doing this proposal, put the thrust not on the beautiful ones but on the basic, least expensive ones and quantity.
This is for you proposal writers. Because you see, you take this to Otto, he has approved both the compressed earth and the ABT building, the cement modular. And if he knows these are going to go in every  house, every building whether it be commercial, I don't care what it is, there will be this type of heating unit in every one you build. You've already built your market. You've got an incredible market. And if you can get Mr. Donahue to point this out to Weyerhaeuser so that they utilize it also in WeyerTech, they'll be the next wanting to have your equipment and a factory of their own there and you may work out some very good swap relationship, barter. They have something you need and you have something that they need. This is so much more efficient and all of the ones in the market trying to do something worthwhile for mankind these days and to get off of the burning of wood, I mean the tearing down of the trees, you're going to go back to burning of the wood. But from your orchards, from your trimmings, you have a tremendous amount of wood that is destroyed, just burned in the fields. But it's got to stop, and Weyerhaeuser knows it has to stop. Therefore they are looking into this kind of building so that they can stop lumber building. And they're one of the biggest lumber manufacturers or producers in this world. You have only a minimum of 15 years left in the Brazilian rainforest. And it is going to cause drought conditions in your North America growing fields. It's already started. It will get to the point where it has messed up your rainfall situation to the point you're going to be very fortunate to even raise food. So we will be working. Now this is something that has not been brought forth before. I'm going to throw it in because Nikolai's prodding me. You would be having massive greenhouses here built of earthen compressed brick right into the ground and then you will use grow lights. 
[other speaker] We will have to file a flight plan. 
[Hatonn] You have to have a heating, well you've got to eat these greenhouses. And solar may not always cut it. If you have massive volcanic eruptions, you're going to have volcanic ash winter.
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