881106-1b

11-13-23
Susan

MEETING TRANSCRIPT:  G. C. HATONN, SANANDA

NEW BUSINESSES IN TEHACHAPI

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I had to be some men's brothers. This has happened all over Africa, in the third world countries. You see it doesn't matter, it is a matter of when. And when the Japanese stop supporting your money system, oh they're pouring dollars, yen against dollars to keep up the value. But they quit supporting your system the last quarter. They only bought up your notes to a tune of 25% versus the usual almost 90% to carry you. The day they pull out the other 25% it happens. They had a run on bonds etc. on October 19th, 1987 I believe. Do I have my proper Black Monday? 
[Oberli] That's correct. 
The Japanese pulled out a lot of bonds and things and started a run. Can you imagine if they pull out everything? Or any one of these major countries pulls out all the stocks that have buoyed up your market, your market is so overpriced and now Japan has fallen heir to the same unbelievable trick, they're even more overpriced than you, there's no way under your current systems, there is no way under your current systems for it not to fall. And we see no view of probability that anything would be different. The ones coming into quote power are figureheads. The bankers will do everything they can to shore it up for a little while longer in order to shift and get themselves more strategically placed quite frankly the men at the top so that they do not go through a massive depression. Whoever has money going into it will be fine. There's got to be the proper kind of money. That means heavy investing, probably in the precious metals, and don't put them in your safe deposit box. Remember what happens, they freeze everything. They will recall the gold. You ones are going to wear a hell of a lot of gold jewelry. They don't usually confiscate the jewelry. They will confiscate everything else. It happened in your 1933. And they froze your safe deposit box and they came in and they took it. These are things that are tried to be covered up quite rapidly. And when you went off the gold standard, it's too late to bring it back. You have no standard against which to measure anything, everything is now measured against debt. Talk about the dark dragon in the mark of the beast, man you got it. It’s the blog your system cannot survive it. And you even built an economic structure based on computer mathematical projections, which have no intelligence whatsoever. You will take a set of numbers from today and project it out there into the, what, 3000 and looks grand. You are in a period of deflation not inflation. And man doesn't see it. And your economics, sciences, which are mutually exclusive, that is like saying military science. What is scientific about military? But what is scientific about economics? You have cycles and it's all written in your cycles. The handwriting has been going on and on and on while all your economists of the new school cannot even agree on what day it is. And so of course you're going to want to hear the ones who say, oh it's going to get better. How can it get better? Better than what? More debt? So you build a structure that can withstand it. And yes, you'll have dozens of dozens of your corporations that will go belly up. And who cares? All other ones are going belly up. You don't want to be left out, do you? That's why you have 400, 600, 800 corporations. So you lose half of them. Where are they going to go? They're going to go to the ones they're indebted to, which will be your other corporation. Can it work? Oh yes sir. You just have to know the rules and I know the rules. I may give Dharma a terrible headache from time to time but I certainly know the rules. And you always always always, never one exception, you never break the law one iota any time, Never! And you require the ones doing business with you don't either. And you don't try to out guess them. You don't go down to Panama and say well I want to know from where you get your money. And if it comes in from drugs or something, I don't want that one. I want you to get me money that comes in from your more honorable banking system. It's none of your business where they get theirs as long as your nose is clean and it is legal. Does the end justify the means? What are you talking about, you see? The end is pretty magnificent, but you don't have to use ill-conceived means to get there. You use the system they set up for you to get there. They've long since forgotten. They've long since forgotten that if really the computer system goes down they can't take a pencil and go two and two is four. Four and four is eight. You will come to a time when nobody even knows that in this world and don't tell anybody else. Guard it unto myself. You never go down and patent your inventions. You get copyrights and things like that. But anything of value you do not patent. That calls attention to yourself. And the big boys are going to steal it from you and use it if it works anyway. No offense to attorneys, but that only gives the law, the legal profession a job. Fighting over patents and things like that. But mainly you don't want attention called to what you're doing. Or you go patent something that won't work. That's a good one too. Leave out the key stone. Since our group is here, why don't you read what Esu brought and then we'll talk about what anybody wants to. We were chit chatting until everybody got here. 
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[Oberli] Rick, you copied this, I mean marked it so you're acquainted with it. 
I have not monitored it myself. 
[Oberli] Do you want it on the tape? 
Why don't you put it onto the tape? 
[Oberli] All right. 
[Rick reads message from Ese Sananda] I am Esu of the Father Source, to walk with you on the path this day, in the golden ray of the central sun. In respect and humble gratitude to you as my brothers, I thank you for allowing my service. Let me remind you, brothers, of something which I perceive happens as you grow so familiar with your teacher, Hatonn. He is the One Source, the combination of the Creator Source, Hatonn, and the Christ Source, He always defining within your language the whole of both the feminine masculine of your species, the grandmother grandfather mother father God, totally without judgment of good or bad, but allowing rewards demanded by both. To enter into your brotherhood within the nucleus group, in the protection of guidance, of one Gyeorgos Hatonn, you have entered into the willing shelter of the central sun, Sun Father God. To comprehend this is beyond you little sleepy ones. However, the power manifest in your presence demands respect. He is infinite patience, love, acceptance. But when the whole is in concern, the greater must be considered, for the individual entity must come to peace within my teachings, or that of the ancient brother Ray of Creator, Creation. You are on the threshold of great and wondrous things in this place, which will cause of you to take much care. Great sums of money will come forth for the building of the new city. This will be carefully and intentionally left in the control of Commander Hatonn, so that not one entity place himself above another, nor will any other entity use of this brother to grandize the ego self. Have all abundance and material beauty desired by the soul, but check within, for if the intent is wrong, the castle will surely fall. You ones must learn of the universal law of manifestation. In the service is the master, in the giving is the receiving, in the sowing so is the harvest, in the value given, is the abundance or frugality of the return. In this grouping there shall only be reward for value given. So we will never be a commune. However, abundance will be offered to all who choose the way, so the building can be done in peace and balance. Never for reward of power or control, nor ever of force. In the serving comes the total power. Ye shall come to know of this. Many shall come who will doubt and try the incorrect path. But theirs will not be of a joyous harvest. Some will come and see the truth and grow and make of the greatest contribution. Some will come and simply see what we do is the better way, nothing more, nothing less. One does not have to understand of the television system to watch it. He only must follow the simplistic sequence of turning the set on and making sure the set has a power source. You ones must also leave the individual alone, for food and water are there. Do not force the intake, or the body will rebel and the food will be vomited forth. Allow, allow, allow. Just because you believe of something does not make of it another's truth. If it be truth, allow it to be seen in its own glory. I would lay aside of the pen now, as Hatonn would commune with you. In the light which is the Father, so be it and Salaam, for it is done. I am Esu of Sananda. 
Bravo. If I had realized what a beautiful message he brought, I would not have blabbered so much about whether or not we can do it. It behooves all you ones to listen to the Master Jesus for His teachings were corrupted, actually that is not true, man corrupted the basic message. Jesus’s teachings were total truth he merely tried to show man once again just as the other masters had done. Not a lot different from what you're doing. He did not pretend to go about forcing everybody to believe what he said. Man could partake of it or leave it alone. But man gets rid of what man fears. Fear, fear, fear. Man destroys what he fears and man is full of fear. It is when you have gotten that beast off your back that you are able to function. For when you are without fear you have all. And man kills what he fears and that which he cannot control. That's why man would take his gun and go and shoot the birds and the beasts. He envisages their freedom. It makes him feel powerful. It makes him lesser. And yet man is trained to do that. Man has not yet learned the difference. He has been taught this. How else would he function? He is searching for a way and he goes by what he is told and what he is taught. How can there be judgment against it? He doesn't know any better. But we're not here to really discuss that. These are things that can be left to the truth and the sharing. A great abundance of things regarding that. I would welcome questions about business. We were talking about the printing company. Is there more you want, Randall? I feel I have missed it.
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Do we have enough to work with? 
[Randall] We have enough to take the next step, and then I'll isolate some things and come back again. 
I would tell you this, and I think this is what you're wishing to hear. We want it, we would like to include the ones who own it now and a beautiful presentation can be made. If that puts your heart at rest as to whether or not I want the ones in wholeness. There will be much that we will not need here, we will want to update here, but they have hand presses, 
[Randall] Yes.
Antiques probably they're called. And they probably love them, they mean something to them. Let's let them keep them, we don't have to take them from them. This is their love. You're going to find ones in this town for the benefit of you who have not been here for a little bit. Dharma and Daylene went out tripping about the town one day, thinking they were going to have a little fun. So we're going to open a furniture store and an antique exchange and a furniture exchange and when one's moved to and from a community and have things to get rid of or the chair doesn't fit the proper color, you can take your chair and exchange it for a chair that fits the proper color. This is just a very, very brief, simplistic... we will exchange everything. But we will also have an antique place and we will have a brand new furniture place with quality product at a level that keeps people shopping in your community. So we send them out a couple of places, two or three go out of business every week in this town. People who have reached some of them their shadow years and have had this dream all their life to open say a little sporting goods store. Now it's impractical to think about a sporting goods store in a little town where there isn't any fishing and you're right next door to Kmart in another place and yes ones will jog but they're going to jog and they're going to go into Big Five and buy their shoes or the Costco club. Well, we'll have a Costco too. But this little sporting good store, what's wrong with having a section in your Costco that those ones can have? And while you're building clients, you can afford to run at cost. Just enough to make those dividend payments. And you will get business, you will draw business from everywhere within driving distance. And what's wrong with you starting a Sears Roebuck? Is there some reason that you could not have a mail order, order by mail, as you advertise through your printing, special sales? Sears Roebuck did it. They did it well enough that the bankers and the big boys are now trying to get Sears Roebuck because they know it would manage through a depression. It supplies the things the people need and they will not be going to Bullocks to shop when there is not money.  I'm sorry you know the demise of a friend who has gobbled you up.
[other speaker] But maybe they'll lose your credit bill too, that would be real nice. 
Well, you just have to know, there's no panic there in this place. I want you to know that you are in good hands. You're with Allstate, is that it? I think you're clever. Maybe we'll buy Sears Roebuck. No, we don't want Sears Roebuck. But if you get a line on wherever, what would we use? Can openers? Supposing you don't have power, what good is a can opener that's of electric? And you need to open a can with  the power off? Have you ever tried to open a can with an electric can opener? No, you ones take it so for granted that it's there that you just look at it and then you might, if you had a hatchet in your place you might try to hatch it open. A can is a dastardly thing to try to open with your fingernails and Liz would be irritated. 
[other speaker] She'd just sharpen her fingers. 
How quaint. We're going to have some old time things. That would be a major thrust. You'll have cast iron skillets, you're going to have clever, cutesy little wood stoves. You're going to have a period of time when this earthquake fog goes that you're going to be without power and a stove that cooks with wood people will kill for, and a good can opener that doesn't need electricity. So you quietly stock up on these things that are really phased out and are only stuck around on shelves as antiques. New antiques, they make them all the time. Replicas of this wonderful Bear Cat or whatever.  Rolls Royce antique with a new motor. Right now a good dough maker will sell for $80 just an old bucket. We'll have some new ones. But these are things that as we get our TeraBlock, you should all have a separate little building. And if everybody who comes into the community just stocks a few of these very basic supplies to have during hard times, no electricity times, put them in the back if you don't want to look at them. As you build your wall, your terraced walls with your TeraBlock, bit them open, build a double wall. Leave four or six feet of space in between and a decorative opening every so often. You can store all of this stuff right into your landscaping. Out of the way, out of sight, and you don't have to worry about it. The prices would be kept low enough that everyone coming in just has this standard stand-by material just as you would candles for when your power fails. It's going to be a really wretched mess in Los Angeles you know because people go back to sleep and the ads are on there almost every day, are you prepared for an earthquake? Of course not. And ones don't want to think about it. And you see it doesn't matter if your building doesn't fall down or whatever, you're going to be cut off because all your power comes from the East. All your gas comes from the East. Your lifeline comes from the East. Your water supply comes from the East. You don't have to be hurt to be without. And your geologists are telling you 10 points somewhere along in here in the next few years. Say it's the limit of the years. But if it comes this month, you sure wish you had some matches and a little camp stove or something. So this is not panic-vill, but this is good industry. Your little printing press can send out a catalog with all these basic needs. Your mind can create. You can take one item and you can build a business out of it. A survival grouping contains good basic can opener, you know all of these things, kerosene lamps. It's going to take a lot of people, a lot of people. And this is where Liz and Jody really have their work cut out. Because it would be better if even in the motion picture industry, you have myriads of corporations who rent their employees. So that when you get up to a certain number of employees where it really gets complicated and a pain in the neck, you build another corporation and basically most of the employees who will be on salaries will be handled from a leasing, personnel leasing and then all the rest are going to be senior vice presidents so you can make loans from the corporation. And as Rick Slater said, yes, well pretty soon the government's going to wonder what's happening in Tehachapi and come and look. But if your records are correct and you have kept everything with total, infinite integrity, there will not be one piece of minutes missing. And there is no way that they can burst that shell, that veil of a Nevada corporation if you are in business and everything is copacetic.
Did you get that word? No way. Because they would go at what they perceive to be the big rip off. That is the big holding company, and they won't find one. They're not going to find one. They're just hunting. You just have a whole community of a thousand new corporations strung out over the next few years. You keep them small and you keep a lot of officers. This is going to be a new thing. All chiefs and no Indians. And a chief who is an officer of the corporation can make officer loans. He doesn't have to ever have a salary. And when the interest builds up and he's not been able to repay them, the government forgives all these debts. What's wrong with the corporation forgiving the poor soul who can't make his payments? And you do it all in Nevada anyway where there are no usury laws. You can charge any amount of interest you care for, right up to a hundred and thousand percent. You've got tools. You have incredible tools that are already structured by Caesar. Who do you think are the biggest corporations, the most numerous corporations in Nevada?
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You think it's the churches? Well actually it is. One of the biggest churches incorporated there. And all business dealings are done within the state of Nevada, between Nevada corporations, and then the filter sidelines are trickled out. Every major corporation will have another corporation doing business in a Nevada bank, and then whichever one is doing business in the state of California would bring it in. But all major transactions will take place between Nevada corporations in Nevada. You don't have to go there, you don't have to be there. And it's perfectly legal. To a perfection, legal. The major thing you do is not allow the laws to get changed because every now and then Goody Two-Shoes comes through and says, well, we're going to throw an issue and we're going to by golly have something done and part of those corporate great wealth is going to go toward school system maybe, pay the teachers. Well, it looks like not the probability of a snowball running around you know where to pass because it's the strongest business quote end quote community in the world because once you start any kind of government intervention you fall prey to eyes and pretty soon they'll be doing business with the federal IRS. Pretty soon they'll make a little law that says you have to come out and tell who owns this corporation. It isn't apt pass. It's a last place. All of your states it the last place and it's their business. So use it. Now some would come in with this honorable feeling of this has got to be lack of integrity. Why? Why would anyone perceive it lack of integrity? Hatonn didn't make the laws, I would have made better laws. In fact, I would have to take it back when I said I wrote the bar exam. I would never write such stupid questions. So please consider that a funny. They have, and they be your government, have written it so it can work in perfection for you. So we would use it. Now I would have questions please. Have I answered everything before you asked it? Oh, I love you, ones. I truly do. I know they come through, and I know that you're sitting there thinking, well, I should be able to figure that out.

But for the sake of conversation and communication, somebody has something even a bit foolish. 
[Elizabeth] I see you did that. 
I see that Elizabeth just made a friend. 
[other speaker] Oh, we tolerate those. 
[Elizabeth] Steve and I have an understanding. 
[Steve] We have a special relationship here. The laws are made to be imperfect because without the laws being imperfect you have no need for the judicial system, the legislatures, they all make up the laws to confuse the people. 
Yes. 
[Steve] And I think what the biggest problem with people is that they want an absolute answer and there is no law that's absolute as the laws set up in the books are. They're full of loopholes and mass confusion, and mass confusion is what employs people to try to interpret it. We're a system of anarchy, actually. Civilized anarchy. That's a brilliant response. 
[Steve] Yeah.
It truly is. I'm not teasing now. I do them not. That is true. 
[Steve] People are, it's like sheep. And if you have one herder that’s leading the sheep down a pathway you have some that will stray away. If you have many, many sheep herders leading a large group of sheep, you have more mass confusion.  The more mass confusion there is, the more people are confused. They don't know what they can or can't do, and therefore it creates jobs. It creates people to tell people how to cross the street, when to do it, how to do it, what time to do it, and without all these confusing, inconsistent rules and regulations that we tend to function in, or misfunction in, but then through the systems that are set up for us to, how to do this and how to do that and how to do this, it seems that's the only way that our society seems to function. If you go to a bookstore, you can find about 150 books on how to function, how to do, how to do your divorce, how to avoid probate, how to make love, how to kill, how to do everything. That's the indictment on our society. 
Yes. And man's looking for a better way so he'll read every one of them. But it's also why a system like this can, will work. This is why you will succeed. You'll have to guard very carefully because you're coming into a little town. And why would this little town be here? Because ones could not function well in the systems of the cities. They're not sophisticated. This is why their little businesses will go under because they didn't do enough research. This is not the kind of a town where on an off-side street you're going to have a little sophisticated nut and candy shop. A Mrs. See’s on the freeway might make it, or next door or inside an Anderson P. Suit complex, but it's not going to make it on a little side street when people can go into Costco and buy 10 pounds of it. So people do not think. They come to a little place to get out of the system thinking it will work. So what you have are the unsophisticated sheep who have actually worked in great gentleness, a handshake was fine. And then a few come in who abused a handshake. And a few sophisticated ones go right up through the community. And boy, I'll tell you, they do not fit. It is like pouring acid on the community. So you very gently, sweetly, quietly, bite your tongue and say, well, maybe we could look at it this way, dear John. Very, very cautious about blathering. We just witnessed a prime example, this week, our precious friends who have the North Tehachapi property bought it, they got it, they put some money down and now they have it. This is months ago, months ago. But they were so tickled to have pulled it off that they talked and talked and talked and talked about it. So the other piece of land quadrupled in price that was adjacent to it and it could have been picked up for nothing. It was worthless actually, except in conjunction with these ones without the changing of a lot of laws. Well they priced it right out of their reach to even consider buying it. So this week someone else bought it for us to work with. They didn't know they were doing it, but sometimes it's a little unfair to know the other side of it. 
[other speaker] I think that's a real important point. If something is good, there's no need to discuss it. 
Oh, it is so much better to keep the mouth shut. 
[other speaker] Because if you look at the laws with corporation law and stock transfers, it's a good example, they'll punish people for taking advantage of non-publicized information, inside trading. But the people who do the inside trading, although it's illegal if they're caught, they know what nobody else knows and therefore they exploit it to the maximum. And that's why they derive such a big profit. 
Right.
[other speaker] Ivan Boesky is serving 12, well he'll serve maybe 12 months at the most in club beds. It’s not a bad situation considering the fact it is a man that has taken inside information, parlayed it to the maximum, and then when he gets released from prison, he will have such an abundance of money that he has stashed in dummy corporations. Of which, Nevada corporations were being investigated as well with the Boesky transactions. 
Yes, but it's very hard to pin it, isn't it? 
[other speaker] They will not pierce those veils. They won't pin them. 
No, they will not. Because they tried but they were unable to pierce the veil. I read that. 
You see, they even pierced the veil of the Swiss banking accounts for Mr. Marcos. Well, don't underestimate what might have been done in Nevada. However, you've had a work system that has been in place and that was a place to shelter everything and they made that public. That means the rest would fall too. So far Nevada is the only one. [other speaker] It’s a great theory to go on the legal premise to incorporate with more chiefs than Indians because the liabilities will not attach. Instead of having mass stockholders, if you run it with just the right amount of owners that are involved in the operation of the corporation, you can eliminate a lot of the problems that go on with the corporation. 
Actually you're going to find by the time you're done you don't even want to be an owner period. Because you're going to keep the money circulating to the extent that you're going to be shifting it from corporation to corporation to get maximum use out of it while it's still a valid commodity or barter. You will not want the headaches or the responsibility because the overall profit...
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