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11-5-23
Susan

MEETING MANUSCRIPT: H. C. HATONN

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[Oberli] Another exhibition of adroitness? 
Yes, Oberli. 
[Oberli] Thank you for the pause to turn the tape. You were speaking of the skull. 
They are living energies.  They are the truest programmable from thought energy substances that you will ever find. They represent the brain of man. For the brain of man truly does hold all knowledge. You just don't use it. You cannot pull it into your consciousness. And the last skulls that will be brought forth will hold the entirety of the data banks of the universe. This was a very, very special creation of the Father. This was the glory of His thought form. And because He's merciful, He has allowed you ones to do what you have done. And finally Mother said No more. No more.  She's tired of being dark and not having a say in her place in this universal order of things. And what is a blink of an eye to the Father and to us? It's a long, long time for you. It is nothing in the time span of a universe. But you ones worked very rapidly. Other planets took many more years of evolution to reach this point. You want to really work fast. All of you have cycled back and forth through this place. Made your contribution both good and bad in perception of what we have come to today. Ones like Tesla came over and over as a test store to see if you were ready and surely enough not yet. This time you will get ready.  What you perceive as the very worst. Remember how it is. Man has to get to the lowest point to make his revolution. All things have to reach a point of critical stasis before He can pulse again back. And you're right at the static point. Right at the static point. The pause, the quiet, the stillness of the universe resting, the clearing will take place and then the growth again along the cycle of the rebirthing. And then you can experience glory again and you will have access to all these wonderful things have been kept for you.  Instead it always seems to all of you it should be somewhere else why is it not at the Great Pyramid? Well it has its place it had its place in the cycle as did the great ones in the Andes and the great ones in your Central America. This was glory once also this very place it's destined to be it again. But many of the truths that are buried in those pyramids will come forth also. It will be a world of glory, not just a Tehachapi of glory. 
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And the planet itself, what seems to be in great, great misery, for it is, is truly in this period of stillness before the upswing again into the cycle. It has reached its depth. And all the creatures know it. All the ancient brothers know it. And you ones are coming into your understanding. So some of these places in this valley must be preserved. 
[other speaker] When I was up there at the Water Canyon today, I kept seeing, and when I would stop, when we were out of the truck and walking on the earth I kept seeing in my mind a brilliant white just like a spot that was radiating and then it was hooked to other they looked like stones it could have been the crystal that you're speaking of other in around the earth and they were energy wise like ley lines.
Oh yes. 
[other speaker] And is that what I'm seeing? 
Yes, I perceive that. You see there are many what you would call natural crystal vortices. Some have been purposely placed, devices placed at some, you know, maybe a vortex here or a vortex there where there is no what we call natural growing crystal. These were placed on your earth from its inception or conception. This is our mode of navigation. We gain energy from these. There's a magnificent one in the area of Sedona, the Four Corners area. It is in that area, it is not in Sedona itself, for instance.  There is one off of the Hawaiian Islands, a very, very large one. This is the largest one, this is the most powerful one, if we're going to speak energy levels. You see you have varying colors of crystals and they carry different forms of energy. I do not as I scan however see any that are this large. This is one of the largest of the universe crystals.  You may as well call it your mother's heart. The heart said. All of those others are circulation systems. You can equate to your blood system. You have a nervous system. You have a lifeline of... You have a circulatory system in the planet just as you do within yourself.  She breathes only she uses her life, her trees, her plants. And now she’s working on less than one quarter of her lungs. The creatures could be called her blood cells. You see they carry life. Even the birds in their process system carry the seeds, the fertilizer. Man was an integral part of that. And then man became destructive like the cancer cell. And like the cancer cell, it begins to eat and begin to be bigger and bigger and bigger and form the tumors. Some cancer cells eat away and form caverns into the bones, and there's not a soul that wouldn't contribute to it. And that's glory. And we watched as those precious beings from the sea were stranded in the shallows and the entire population came out to bath them and some were lost but some were saved. There’s good left in man.  Man’s heart cries out to be good. And that's what keeps a mother patient with you. Done and thankful with that. And I'm going to get sentimental and cry myself. So let's laugh about something. We get emotional too. 
[Randall] Happens a lot lately.
Brother Randall you have not experienced the vultures here as a head of a California coast.  All you have to do is pick up the Book of Revelations. There's some truth in your Bible after all. The scavengers will gather. 
[Oberli] We've seen swarms. We've seen swarms of them. 
[other speaker] Oh, it's a brother.  My lips are dry, Tasha. I'm not sure. 
[Oberli]Well, one time there must have been a couple hundred of them. Two hundred at least. 
[Oberli] One afternoon, about three or four of us, maybe. Oh, I don't know. It seems serious to me. 
Yes. That's when you really have to hold on to your balance. 
[Oberli] I see a swarm of bees or something. Swarm of bees.
[other speaker] In the comparison of the energy we felt today up in the water canyon compared to the energy here on the mountain, on the hill here at Crystal. 
Yes.
[other speaker] The intensity of it I could feel quite a bit, but could you give more of that in words of some kind, that feeling, the difference between the two? 
[other speaker] That’s a question I had, too. 
I will try. It's technical enough, the kind of energy given off, that I don't know that I can make it clear. You’re going to in this area real intonation, actual sound, an actual feeling of vibration that is a physical thing.
[other speaker] Yes, I felt that from looking back. 
And the closer you get to the source or the heart of this crystal, it will intensify or you would feel a little more balanced as you reach the center. But it is programmed much like a radio, how would I put it, a computer, I don't know how to make it really understandable but it's truly, it carries great, great programs already and then we are now utilizing it. So it will give off frequency that literally turns into sound in your hearing range or your sensing range. 
[other speaker] I heard some sounds when I was sleeping last night. Yes, you will. And pretty soon as we work with you, you will not be without it.  And at some point it will not bother you anymore, and at some point you will really smile about it and say hi there and recognize that it’s really comforting to have it there.  But it will be annoying when you quiet yourself or sleep. These ones usually have to play music or something. Dharma really pays at night. We really turn it up and we really work with it. And as she went to bed last night, she said, oh my gracious, we didn't tell him about the smoke alarm. I've heard it on the tapes. All right, then don't panic. You're not on fire.
[other speaker] I wouldn't panic. I always burn inside anyway. 
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Well, it's really interesting. Now you talk about the energy that comes from, let us call it the where. The Awoken Wakam, that is the sacred altar, that right there. That is something you feel. It pulsates, it is from within. It does not come with beep beep, beep beep, it is other holy energy.  I want to hug it. You want to be one with it. It's not something you want to back away from like this is. You want to be with it because it is your heartbeat. It is your life. Essence. It is the programming of the soul. And you can't even hug it up enough. No matter what you do, you cannot contain it. 
[other speaker] As a physical being, how would I be able to consciously hold or cleanse that through me, let that come through me? I know that it is. 
You just have to be.
[other speaker] Be.
[other speaker] I just like a little extra hand that’s all I know. I know. 
You would like just to rub it on you and bring it home. 
[other speaker] Yeah, that's right. That's right. 
[other speaker] You tried that. 
[other speaker] I did. I rubbed my hands out. Everything. 
[Al] Why don't I sense more of this type of energy? 
I don't know, Al. I expect that you may be just a little reserved or something and just don't allow it. You try too hard. That's one thing I know about you. You try too hard. That sounds terrible. You cannot really try too hard for anything. But you get so intense about it and being intense and tensed blocks it. Oberle doesn't pick it up either. For a long long time Dharma picked up nothing like that. You pick up a rock and a rock's a rock.
[Oberli] Ann gave me a reading when I first met E.J. Doris, that's when we met, it was Solar Ray. Solar Ray told me that I came in as life, I don't know how to put it, something about, that I don't feel emotions like others do, to the extent that that has something to do with it? Because that's sensing energy, right? 
Yes, I would guess that might. 
[Oberli] In other words, I'm not as sensitive to energies as other people. But I purposely did that so I wouldn't get off the track or something like that. 
Well... 
[Oberli] I was so determined to make it. 
Let us use... well, let us use you as an example. You come along and you make your arrangements to come in and you know that there is a given purpose in your life. You don't recognize it, it's not up here in your consciousness and you begin to search. It's easier now, quite frankly, for the younger ones to come in because it's quite all right to know that you are searching for something. But there was an entire period of time, many hundreds of years, where man didn't search. Man was told what he did and man got himself married and he stayed married no matter how bad it was. You ones come in and you have whatever background you have chosen to come into with you, Al. It was a family and basic poverty most of you have experienced it. These ones you know, Oberli probably less than Dharma, but sadness within the makeup of the family structure a struggle a time of without which would not matter but if you're having upheavals in the family unit a child will build walls and then you move farther and you go to school or whatever and you have a few more bad experiences and you get a little more insecure you build another wall another layer of brick. And then you meet someone and you fall in love and it goes to hell and you build another wall, you know, just add another brick. Pretty soon you go through three or four of these experiences and your wall is so thick you've insulated yourself from everything. It is better not to feel than to feel the pain when it falls apart. I will just be and I will not experience over here or over here. I would walk right down the middle and nothing can really touch me. And you continue to give, but it's very hard to receive, very hard to obligate or be obligated to or from. And this is why I concern about someone like Daylene, after you have had some real disappointments, the walls go so big and so thick, that sometimes they are never removed. It isn't quite like zombie-ism yet. But you ones, and it is natural to do that. You build your cocoon and pretty soon you withdraw into it and you don't allow healing. Oberli does it. Dharma does it in a different way. Sometimes it's independence with her if she can't see a way to do it personally all by herself. She doesn't want to bite it off because she doesn't want to leave. She doesn't want to share the burden. Now she can share it as long as she thinks she can do it. If that makes sense to anyone. 
[other speaker] Well, it's independence. 
And it's truly not independence.
[other speaker] Well 
It is a need for, yes I hear what you say and that's why I want to talk about that. 
[other speaker] Because it's usually the reverse of what you're putting out. 
You feel that you can be an island unto yourself some way that way and that you will not be a burden and therefore whatever the mind conjures up therefore this, therefore that what it is, is you've built a wall it makes you strong in many ways and you don't want to appear weak. And sometimes to sense these energy flows is perceived as weak. Because there have been so many lies about it. And they get on the mountaintop and they say, Oh God, I feel, you know, they don't feel anything but a pain in the neck. And this is what’s wrong. To genuinely walk out there and see your God is something you don’t go shout. You might go shout on the mountaintop, ee-yah, you know, God, thank you. But not this kind of a feeling. It is quiet. It is holy. And you don't go rattle your gourds and things you quietly thank God for the privilege of just having been there a minute. 
[Al] I imagine then it's like some music touches me but it wouldn't be music that I hear it would be more on the same basis of the feelings from all of that. 
Yes and I'll tell you something else about it. If you went up there alone Al, all by yourself and went down where the energy felt the strongest of these others and you just sat there for a while it would come. Sometimes things have to be experienced in the total solitude so that it is not impacted by anyone else's feelings anyone else's description. You see some of these things go beyond description. So what you are hearing being described is not what you are feeling. But it may be the same thing. 
[Al] That's what I was saying about the music. You can't tell someone else what you are feeling. 
That's right. 
[Al} It's something that just grabs a hold of you.
Yes 
[Al} Ok well I know basically then what you are talking about only it takes the hearing vibration of the music to do it to me rather than I'm not used to picking it up that way right? Basically. 
Right and we have all these guidelines to think it must be this way because the book said it's this way. If I don't hold my hands this way I won't get it somehow. This is the problem that man faces. There are so many instructions by so many gurus and so many masters and so many this and so many that that you think you have to do something in order to get something. I don't have any trouble reaching through here and if she wants to eat incorrectly, that's heart pain in the stomach. But what happens is man gets so concerned and preoccupied with what he's going to eat or not eat or drink or not drink Or whether his hands are going to be up or down or squeezed or what? Or if the lights are going to be up or down it doesn't matter. I can work very well in the light. I happen to be light. But it's sure hard on her eyes. So you go with what touches you and makes you comfortable. Don't go by what someone else says you ought to do. They don't know what you ought to do, they know what works for them. And the ones who tell you what you ought to do, and if you don't do it this way, it won't work, are full of it. You are an individual, and no one can tell you what will work for you. It's just like medicine. All a drug is, is a tool. You heal yourself.
[Al] Well I know music can really touch me at times. 
Well you see... 
[Al] I know the feeling that basically I suppose I would feel if I was tuned exactly to that type of frequency. 
And maybe what you perceive as beautiful, untouchable music, the rest would think why does he listen to that? 
[Al] Yeah, so that's exactly what it would be 
And well, you all dance much to a different drummer that's what makes you precious if you were all an army of clones what kind of a world would it really be?
[Al] It's one of the greatest sighs I've had is that organ playing. Vibrations come out of the music. 
Yes, and you don't even have to make a song, do you? 
[Al] No, it's just the vibrations of the harmony and so forth. You have a piece of music, I don't know if you've ever heard about it, called the Holy City. It's based on verses out of the Bible about the Holy City. That's one piece of music that touches me like that. If I play it and you know just affects me. 
Well someone probably experienced that feeling and was able to put it to paper. 
[Al] I'm sure they did when they wrote it. But probably 9 out of 10 people that hear it would never be affected by it like that.
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[other speaker] [undecipherable] 
[Al] It just dawned on me last night, you know, mentioning the Holy City, I tied it to this and no wonder I fell in love with that piece of music. Years ago. Years ago. 
[other speaker] Speaking of light, I hope we have some better alternatives for the light bulb. 
Well, it depends on how hard you work. There are a lot of alternatives to the light bulb. 
[Al] Eternal flame. 
You are a little away from that. 
[Al] We see the Eternal flame, good 
[other speaker] Reduce the cost of illumination would be nice.  
That’s what we do, we just create it our walls just kind of make it [other speaker] Well that's what I was asking for. I'd like to have this TeraBlock constantly illuminated. 
Yes. You may get there. You may really get there before your evolution is finished on the place. But you'll stick around as long as you want. I'll tell you what you'll want. It's always, I hear and I listen. You're going to enjoy a period of time. I don't care what your age. There's going to come a static time in here. Truly. And you're going to get your work done. And you're going to think, boy, this is really neat. And pretty soon you'll even get bored with that, you'll be ready to come back but you're really going to truly enjoy a period of spending in that time of radiance and playing with the things that you will have produced before there is any corruption brought back. Because, you see, of the cycles, the Earth itself will recover. Time doesn't mean anything in the universe. And the billions of years that it may have taken Mars to go and come. These things would be re-inhabited. You're ones are talking about a joint space trip to Mars. This is sometimes the way it begins. One's always want to start with a big bang and a evolution from feces and did it ever occur to anyone God just simply put man here from somewhere else? That seems to be heinous, heinous thought. That's got to be blasphemy some way. But it's so much more realistic. Man always was. Man was not a fish. I'm sorry. That's an insult to God's thought. He would not think up a fish if he wanted a man. Man has always been in the thought of God. Man makes all the limits. The creatures like the monkeys were brought for man's pleasure. Everything else was brought for man's pleasure and friendships. And man wants to do all of this bullshit about blowing up from the ocean and hey, it doesn't matter. Whatever you want to believe is perfectly alright with me but I'll tell you man has always been, and it's a lousy cop out of the Father God to say the lesser than what he created he didn't make himself a fish. If he chooses to experience in the thought form of creating a fish, He would do it. Or a cloud, or a tree, or whatever. And you should try it every now and then. Go into your quiet place and make yourself into a tree leaf and make yourself into a cloud and experience the air around every portion of you being one with the atmosphere. There'll come a time when you can control your thought to that extent. Fear being the root of a tree with the earth around you. God can experience anyway because God is all. But one of His highest, most precious thought, creations and projections is man. If He wanted an ape, He would make an ape and He did so. Why would He make you from ape when He can make you from anything He wishes? It was not an ape. And yes man had different form because man fell, fell from grace into darkness and you're about to do it again unless we're not very diligent. And then you have a re-evolution of man. That does not mean re-evolution of monkey. And yes, you had the caveman. These were from the ancients, but they were ignorant. They had moved again into the darkness and had to relearn everything, everything, from all to nothing and that's what we're trying to prevent happening again. But don't ever believe all of this stuff you're told. God created man and breathed His image and became one with you. And yes, God is monkey, God is fish, God is eagle, God is scorpion. But they were not given the gift of reason. And man had to begin really each of these darkness cycles with nothing to reason against. All knowledge was blank. You have to have something to relate to, to reason. How deep do you want to get into this subject? This is what we... this is beyond philosophy this is simple truth but we discuss these things, Rick you ask, these are things. 
[Rick] So was the first woman blonde? 
Just exactly like [undecipherable] 
[Rick] Really?
You know it. You don't want to hear that they are bald.
[Rick] Oh no. 
You like it blonde don’t you? 
[Rick] Yes. 
I thought you did.  
[other speaker] Can you handle that one after? 
All the ladies, pink and blonde and cuddly.
[Rick] That's fine. Yes. There is something very nice about ladies. 
[Rick] I think so. 
Well, you think so more than almost anyone. See, he doesn't even go into arguing. 
[Rick] And I like talking philosophy. I'm an old philosopher at some point. 
Well, there isn't really anything else worth talking about, as a matter of fact. All the rest is survival. How do you best do this or do that or whatever? And pretty much that's physics, isn't it? If you get the right mathematical formula or chemical formula, you've got it so that's fun but the only thing in your world, it's like literature or music no one can feel what you feel about it and therefore philosophy as far as I'm concerned is the only real subject there is. For you can perceive anything you wish any way you wish and that's your opinion now that's what gets a lot of people into trouble because they have an opinion and no one else can have one theirs is always right and usually when you're that dogmatic they're most often wrong. 
[Rick] Well speaking of philosophy, where's John Muir, is he with you all? 
I would have to read my scanners 
[Rick] Could you? Would you? 
[other speaker undecipherable]
So the law is not on your place its place? 
[Rick] Thank you. 
And as a matter of fact he's very active doing essentially what he did. He's a great gift, a great naturalist. And he works almost in the same given areas and those beautiful, beautiful creations are the monuments to God, I think, on your place 
[Oberli] Those giant redwoods? 
Yes only God can make a tree everything else is made by men like me. [Oberli] Is Paul back on earth yet?
As in Paul Andrew? 
[Oberli] As in Paul the biblical? 
Oh, Paul. Paul. 
[other speaker] That's a good question. 
Let us not get... I really... this is...
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