881027-1a  

10-25-23
Susan

MEETING TAPE: G.C. Hatonn 

GROUP DISCUSSION REGARDING PROJECTS

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[Oberli] This is October the 27th, 1988, 11:00 am. Greetings, Mary. [ Good morning. 
[other speaker] Good morning, 
We are moving. I want to share just a little bit before, because you will come back and say well I didn't know that, nobody told me that. Because you, they won't go with you, you're going to stay for the meeting. I want us to re-look. Let's put the proposal aside and let us take up the Russian documents. 
[other speaker] All right 
When we listen again onto this tape it will be started, always to remember that when one began to tinker with ideas. Very frequently the most absurd one comes forth and it will be mischief.  I don't want you to discard it because it appears to be mischief or undercutting of your brother. We will never arrive at a decision that ever undercuts our brother, but to discuss a subject in good business manner, we have to listen to what our mind is telling us and then we hone it and we polish it and we come out with something workable and we trust within our own group that no one will jump to any ridiculous conclusions as we have experienced in the past. 
[other speaker] One thing that keeps coming for me and reading it is find any exclusive agreement [undecipherable]
Well, that's excellent because I did not even notice. I'll tell you why I did not notice. This is for, this is how energies work.  All of your guides are on alert right this minute because we're going to play with this. I personally did not even consider very much of any relationship. In fact, I considered completely severing all relationship, as far as Russia is concerned, with Terablock because my thrust is not in Tera block’s direction at all. So I was here for many with the absolutes that's all pitching here if you want. 
[other speaker] I have the feeling anybody interested [undecipherable]in I have a feeling that what Russia's done bad, they're going to pull a growth spiel. In other words, growth, that is, engineers go and visit, and he visited a plant, and they stole the thing and did it themselves, right?  Basically. Now Russia's going to turn around and pull the same thing and terrorize us. [Mary/Hatonn] Possibly.  Well, we'll have to assume that that's a very good point well taken. 
[other speaker] Yeah, there's a Karma thing there too, after all. 
Well let's not bother with karma, lets just talk business.
[other speaker] [mumbles] 
That may or may not happen this is just a little 
[other speaker] we are wide open to that thing is what I meant on the karma level.  
[other speaker] You know Dharma has a very good point regarding cellular cement and opening market there. So, you're also there. 
But now what do we have to work with? Thank you, Rick. I really appreciate, because I have told her and I am going to talk about cellular cement and how we handle it graciously and with honor.
This letter. TeraBlock worldwide will make its own agreements. All of you are correct. They can very well come and take the idea and go and use it. Take the machinery there and use it. If they are smart however, they will try to keep up some kind of a facade and not outright steal it. In the beginning there will be at least 800 machines that will be purchased and they will have paid their way. Always you run into the ability to steal and obviously Holland, well I don't know, Oberli, are they not the ones or is it France that can fabricate their own machinery? 
[Oberli] It’s France.
Alright, they can get it from the French then or they bring in the parts and then they fabricate it. They do not have a factory. The parts are shipped from here for a given machine and they assemble it there.  So let us just consider that TeraBlock is a good building project, good substance. They do not have the problem that they do in the United States. They should, but they don't, and that is very critical. They're going to be lax, in other words, at this point. You can see the problem. They're given a deadline and that's a pretty hefty deadline. Now when that comes and it's not accomplished there will not be much repercussion any more than there is with your air pollution. But they have a guideline now and a deadline against which they assume they're working. TeraBlock is not the total answer. You're going to be building sometimes in the outskirts of cities and you don't want your world dug up into a bunch of holes, you see? You're going to build a lot of individual dwellings either that or very high rise buildings, something is going to replace what they have. And the move is not usually toward non-urban areas. They're going to be built up around the factories and the places where they need the housing, where they're already piled one on top of another. So they really need to building substances. It sounds fine to have all that earth usable, but at some point they will either have to import the earth into the area because site, site building material will be depleted simply because it is being transformed into something else. Now, you cannot do your brother in by going directly to this man who has written this letter and send him a copy of the letter and say, hey, we've got a better deal. You don't want to give anyone a better deal than your brother has just picked up. And you do represent the factory which will produce the equipment. That's why you should be celebrating with worldwide.  If in fact they order 800 machines, and let us assume that business is done honorably, and you can bet your life for a little while, business will be done honorably. They're trying to build a new world image. They also have the facts. You have a counter-part, never mind all that. You have a mirror over there. Russia knows. Russia is still a deadly, deadly enemy. They do not believe, as you proclaim to believe but you have grown in one direction they have grown away from that direction and you meet already. There is very little basic difference in your system. You just stand and throw stones at each other across an ocean. And it's harder and harder to keep the war going because when you analyze your systems, they're almost identical.
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They need the other technology. How do you get that technology? You write a letter possibly to this person to this company and tell them that you are aware that there is this law and the dam. And you would like them to consider the following. A building material from cellular cement, a factory of which you have underway at this time, and you will be happy to share information with him for future reference, that it is now being held in confidence as a business measure. You would expect that ones from there would wish to come and discuss this and an invitation could be arranged. You see, they don't allow their wants to flip back.  It would have to be a specific invitation, let us say from John Donahue.  This would be at this point or even this could be if this could be for consideration to see if this would encroach or not. Would it be feasible to say that you are aware that they are investigating other types of earthen building material? What you're trying to do is keep completely separate from the TeraBlock transaction. At the same time this is for protection of the ones in Tehachapi. Otherwise you would just send them John Donahue's name and they'll get all involved in it and you won't get your dome built in time. If you write a letter with no reference to anything else other than expecting a return response. Then you are free to open discussion, send a copy of the letter, both your return response. If they show interest, then you send a copy of that letter to both Frank Sands and John Donahue and how to work this out now.
Do I make sense?
[Oberli] Um hum. 
Oberli, I'll hear from you. 
[Oberli]I'm sorry. 
I'm asking in earth terms are we, are we utilizing to a disadvantage our brother or are we basically assisting our brother?  This is not a test setup this is a discussion. You see in these dimensions we do not have this kind of a problem.
[other speaker] Well if we send ours to them without saying Frank knows anything about, could be causing trouble because sooner or later he’s probably going to find out one way or the other. If we are a faction, Gene is probably for them. And then the people over there will tie the two together and just innocently mention our names about how this sort of thing goes around. 
All right, let us take another approach. Does it not tell from whence came this edict? 
[other speaker] No, it doesn't. 
It does not tell from the government or what? 
[other speaker] Well it says the government. 
Read that to me, Oberli. 
[Oberli] The Soviet government has adopted the program quote habitation 2000 in accordance with which every Soviet family must have a separate flat or a house by 2000. 
Oberli, would that not come under some governmental label? 
[other speaker] I assume that the person who wrote this letter is probably tied in with that program which probably is maybe part of the government itself. 
Well maybe, maybe not I mean if the wind business let us wait a minute they are releasing and they are allowing ones to start businesses.  Let's discard the name of the person. Let us just assume that we picked up the paper today and the body of that letter was in there. Would that not infer that the government, some branch of that government, and they have labeled it Habitat 2000. Something similar. Do you have a Russian embassy in Los Angeles? 
[Oberli] I would think there is some kind of a representative within there being in Los Angeles. 
Do we have any light bulbs yet? 
[Oberli] Absolutely not.  I'm really distressed. We could be off on some wild goose chase. 
Why do you consider it a wild goose chase, Oberle? I'm distressed, too. 
[Oberli]It has absolutely no benefit to us unless we want to build machines, a terrible off, to spread ourselves into that market with cellular cement is ridiculous. 
Are you trying to save the world? 
[Oberli] I am trying to save the Tehachapi. I'm trying to save the world. 
Well, let's get a little bit bigger about it, brother. I'm not asking you to do anything about cellular cement other than those of you who might wish to have built a factory. You have brothers needing building material and you know where the resources are. Are we going to turn a world around? Are we going to hog these little things? Are we going to let somebody else do it? You have an opportunity of calling an embassy, finding out if in fact this is true. Ask him if they would be interested in some information regarding a building material called cellular cement, modular housing. And if he responds
then there is nothing brother wrong with sending that specific portion of their government a letter stating that there is such a product. And if you want nothing to do with it, you can refer the response to John Donahue. It ends up having nothing to do with the company. It has everything to do with business knowledge. With no expense to yourself, you can reach out across a world. With no interference to yourself unless you choose to have some and you are thinking of you and a few people in this room. There are possibly others in Tehachapi once you have a factory going here that can reach out and help those ones. 
[Oberli] The only possible conflict I see is that Frank Sands should be included in the process, from the beginning, at least in terms of being informed as to he was the first to give us the original contact information. That's the only possible cause of crisis, as long as he is informed and dealt with appropriately.
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Now you have really put it into the lap of the attorney who rarely has a personal interest at the other side. What kind of a decision can he possibly make? 
[Oberli] In the business world, there is no reason for Frank to be at all upset. If ABT makes a contact with this company as a result of this letter, Frank doesn't have to be a party of that transaction. That's right. 
[Oberli] I disagree with both Rick and Al on that score. See, you're taking a game, this all personally. I want to tell you this is not a test. I'm going to repeat that. We're not testing anybody.  But we're going to get some good lessons out of the conversation. And this is what happens. Before jumping to judgment, let us examine these tiny little particles. You want to hang on to your identity. A Nevada corporation is a birth infant. ABT is an individual and it is not you. It births a product that has absolutely zero to do with Frank Sands or TeraBlock. Now the knowledge has come into your senses from a letter. And if you personally utilize, even through ABT, information that comes from someone else, it should be acknowledged. If you do not take the route of even utilizing their company, let us reanalyze it.  My last suggestion, and I'm happy to discuss that suggestion, is to contact an embassy and say you are aware of this rule and you have a product in your knowledge. Are they interested? Or who would you contact? 
[Oberli] I'm assuming Frank Sands would not have an issue at all. I would see well I don't know that you would see red tape enter if you choose to enter into the market. 
Well, I don’t know that you would enter into it, probably John Donahue would enter into it.
[Oberli]  At this point is that in our best interest? 
That is not your business. 
[Oberli] Well, where are we to start? 
It is not your business to make a decision for John Donahue is what I'm saying.  I don't know if it's in your best interest or not. Depends on what it would require of you. It seems to me one phone call and possibly a letter. And it could bring great brotherhood. Could also bring a lot of rubles back and forth. Do you remember your deficit of trade? Does anybody remember your deficit of trade? Your country's going down the tubes. 
[other speaker] It seems to me that just because you get bit by a rattlesnake, you don't kill every snake with a rattle. Just because the location, geographically, of these people, they've just been labeled that they're probably, or the possibility is extremely high that they're going to just merely steal an idea. Just people so far. [Oberli] I'm sorry the whole discussion is bullshit if you take ABT houses to Russia, if you take ABT houses to Van Nuys and where you can produce a house for $50,000 and sell it for more than a $100,000, that is a very profitable enterprise. But if you take an ABT house to Russia for $20,000 and they can produce them some other way for less money than that, it's just not an economically viable situation, at least not in comparison to what it is here. I don't know what we're talking about. It is not our business. It is of no business consequence to us. It's a distractor, as far as I'm concerned.  It might be very beneficial to the Russians to know about ABT type houses it's not beneficial for us to be off on some wild goose chase trying to make oodles and solve the country's debt balance of payments or occupy Mr. Donahue in some wild goose chase. It is it's, I don't understand at all why we would even be distracted by it. In that case what's the hurt writing a letter to a company other than ABT who produces a similar product in Abilene the let them run things?  That way the Russians will have materials. And we don't have our hands full enough?  
[other speaker] What purpose is there any other purpose that anyone here sees of this letter being sent from Sands the TeraBlock is there any other purpose there of this letter other than showing us that they have an interest in that they're buying, they're ordering 800 machines?
You mean to send it here? 
[other speaker] Right. 
Of course. 
[other speaker] I mean, is there another reason for it, possibly, other than just the fact that he's showing us that TeraBlock has an order for 800 machines. 
Yes, of course. You are going to be the factory. They can enlarge a bit in Flint, but they cannot handle it. That's why this factory needs to be.
[other speaker] I understand.
The owners of TeraBlock Worldwide are uncomfortable because there was a note due, I believe, the first of September. Well, it's been changed about so much it's been postponed from the end of July. And the agreement was to pay $25,000 and then right about this time of the year, another $600,000 for the rights to the four or 5 western states.  Franchise for the use of the machines or the distribution of the machines. They want the factory underway. This is to show a need for the factory. 
[other speaker] Right.
This is excellent selling material if you didn't already have the factory already agreed for funding. This is also saying get your $25,000 in brother, I'm having trouble with the grosses. They are beginning to quibble that they don't need you. That's the punchline. The other is Frank Sands is an honorable man and he wants to work with us. He's a very enlightened man and will end up coming with us. The Grosses took the basic knowledge and technology from the ones in New Mexico.  And we will honor the ones in New Mexico by allowing the building of their equipment in your factory. Unless they keep the factory going full bore. Do you hear me? You will not have an exclusive agreement with them. They have done nothing. They keep asking you for money. They are giving nothing to this factory. And of course they would want an exclusive. And you will not agree to it. They have not written off $600,000 and they're threatening with taking away your franchises unless you put up your 25. So let's hear what really is going on here. It's much to your benefit for them to sell as many machines as they can in Russia or anywhere else. Those come out of your factory.  This is the basis for your proposal, for your factory.  
[other speaker] That I understand. I'm clear with all that being the main purpose of this letter. But really my question was, I might have just not asked it right, do any of us here see any other purpose of that letter besides that? 
[other speaker] You mean such as the discussion we're having now? [other speaker] Right, as far as working directly with the Soviets, or? 
Well, there's a big purpose. 
[Oberli] Excuse me just a minute, turn this tape? 
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